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Paigowdan
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June 21st, 2011 at 5:28:15 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

OK. The average person isn't going to play it because its too complicated. The average person doesn't play roulette for the same reason. If you were to introduce roulette as a new game, I doubt if it would make it. Its only in casinos because its ancient and its from a time when people had brains capable of understanding something more complicated than sticking in a quarter and hitting a button.



Huh? WTF? - Roulette is not complicated! Put a chip down - and see if the number hits. AS EASY AND AS INVITING AS GAMBLING GETS!
Gambling cannot get any simpler that that!
Roulette is 60% of the Casino Action in the European Union. Has been FOR CENTURIES! HUH?


Easy Over and Under is quite simple and fun to play as a Casino game IMHO, - and I say that as both a veteran casino dealer and as a game designer with a very successful game out (EZ Pai Gow Poker).

I think "Switch" (Geoff) would agree with this - he invented Blackjack Switch - not a bad job game design job on Easy Over Under!
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Switch
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June 21st, 2011 at 6:25:03 AM permalink
One of the reasons that I think that this game has a chance is due to it's simplicity. It may need tweaking in certain areas but the underlying play is easy for anyone to comprehend.

If you make the game too simple, for example, 'War', then this alienates players by making them feel that they are not pitting their wits against the dealer.

I think that 'Craps' would be a good example of a game that would not make it, if it was introduced today, due to it's more complex play and the fact that it uses a lot of employees to run one game.
DJTeddyBear
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June 21st, 2011 at 6:44:16 AM permalink
Quote: Switch

The game is fast although I did find that the individual settling of the players' wagers made the pace of the game a little bit 'stop and start' - a bit like 'Extreme 21' where each player had to play his/her hand out (and have the bet settled) before moving on to the next player.

That's no different than BJ.


Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: EvenBob

OK. The average person isn't going to play it because its too complicated. The average person doesn't play roulette for the same reason...

Huh? WTF? - Roulette is not complicated! Put a chip down - and see if the number hits. AS EASY AND AS INVITING AS GAMBLING GETS!
Gambling cannot get any simpler that that!
Roulette is 60% of the Casino Action in the European Union. Has been FOR CENTURIES! HUH?

Well, it does get simpler. You can play Big 6....

Dan, not to bust your bubble, and certainly not meremy to argue since I too describe Roulette as one of the easier games to play, but it can be complicated and/or intimidating to a novice. I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll start a new one.
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June 21st, 2011 at 7:08:39 AM permalink
Here's the new thread:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/5730-would-roulette-fail-if-introduced-today/
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June 21st, 2011 at 9:09:20 AM permalink
Thanks Bob for the feedback.

We are getting some player feedback regarding the "complication" when it comes to the Short Side bet decision. So your comment is being made by some players as well.

I am trying to balance potentially tweaking that decision point against Switch's latest comments that you can't make it too simple, like Casino War, or the player doesn't feel like they are "involved enough" in the outcome.

I say that while at the same time realizing I have seen more Casino War tables come out in the last 18 months than ever, and the game has been around longer than that. Casino War seems to be finding a niche despite its simplicity and having no player decision which I would not have thought would happen.

The trial has been extremely helpful in assessing the game concept. Game development is a process and I think we are still in the midst of it with Easy Over Under.

Thanks to all for your input.
buzzpaff
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June 21st, 2011 at 9:12:27 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Who are you talking to, and where it YOUR input?



Not you Teddy, you least of all. Talking to the 200 or so who visit this site daily but rarely post. How long would it take them to evaluate this game? Not a mathematical analysis as to advantage play, or simply clicking on a poll! Just give your opinion. Would you play this game ? Would your friends ? It's not what Switch, Teddy, etc think but the general public who will decide the success of this game,
So PLEASE just post what you like least or most about the game. Is that too much to ask ?????

I am taking 2 college course this summer ( dumb idea ) but will find time to give a detailed analysis, hopefully later today. Meanwhile I hope some of the faceless 200 will post their opinions. Little enough to ask. The author of this thread won't say it but I will.
POST SOMETHING PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Switch
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June 21st, 2011 at 10:33:28 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's no different than BJ.



Hi DJ,

It's been a while since I saw it but 'Extreme 21', from what I remember, completes a player hand and then the dealer completes his/her hand. Play then moves to the next player and that hand is completed followed by the dealer completing a new hand against that player. So, the dealer would actually play 6 individual hands against a 6-player table.
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June 21st, 2011 at 10:44:48 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Not you Teddy, you least of all. Talking to the 200 or so who visit this site daily but rarely post. How long would it take them to evaluate this game? Not a mathematical analysis as to advantage play, or simply clicking on a poll! Just give your opinion. Would you play this game ? Would your friends ? It's not what Switch, Teddy, etc think but the general public who will decide the success of this game,
So PLEASE just post what you like least or most about the game. Is that too much to ask ?????

I am taking 2 college course this summer ( dumb idea ) but will find time to give a detailed analysis, hopefully later today. Meanwhile I hope some of the faceless 200 will post their opinions. Little enough to ask. The author of this thread won't say it but I will.
POST SOMETHING PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It's common on a lot of internet forums for their to be a large majority of people who read and post rarely, or only in entries where they think they have something worthwhile to add.

I'm not one of those people on this board (but I am else where).
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s2dbaker
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June 21st, 2011 at 10:49:02 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Now that Easy Over Under is live in a field trial and Wiz has written up the game on the WoO site, I would appreciate the group's feedback on the game.

Wiz did an excellent job summarizing the rules of the game @ the WoO site and my website (www.easyoverunder.com) has both an Instructional & Live Hand Demo Videos so you can get a sense for the speed of the game, etc. (my apologies that my limited technology skills don't allow me to set that up as a link).

Thank you in advance for taking the time to provide your feedback/input.

if I lived nearby a casino that has this game then I would play it. At least a little.
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June 21st, 2011 at 2:22:05 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Huh? WTF? - Roulette is not complicated! Put a chip down - and see if the number hits. AS EASY AND AS INVITING AS GAMBLING GETS!



I've been playing roulette for a long time and have seen countless people not play because it looks too complicated. The layout is a maze to the neophyte. Even when a dealer patiently explains, people still walk away.
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