EZ Pai Gow goes live at Cannery the (Craig Ave)

Well,
My Commission-free EZ Pai Gow Poker game went live today at noon at the Cannery Casino (Craig Avenue, aka "West Side Cannery"). DEQ technicians where there installing the game, and it went live at noon. My wife and I jumped in my batmobile and drove on up to see.

I saw the table open up with the DEQ's signature "lighted signage" - which is actually an LG flatscreen monitor, instead of an edge-lit sign over the table, displaying bonus tables, jackpot payoffs, - this being Pai Gow, and it was overlaid with Asian images of Dragons and Gondolas (but no Thai porn). Some players joked, "Can you put on the Laker's Game here?" - No, we can't; - go to the sports book. Anyway....

The Signage displayed the progressive jackpot (7-card Straight flush, Five aces, etc...) and well as the Standard Pai Gow Bonus bet table (Using the full-pay table of 8000:1, 2000:1, etc, - NOT the Luhn-Tao Wheel table, which is the other bonus bet option that other casinos use, such Fiesta, Primm Valley, Barona, etc. That too is full pay, but is uses multiple 2000:1 payouts, instead of a single 8000:1 top payout.)

To my surpirise, the layout had ONLY ONE betting spot per player - as EVERY other bonus bet was to bet with a keypad display at each players' position!
To bet bonuses and side bets, you simply use the G3 keypad. The way The G3 betting keypad works is like this:
When a player buys in at a G3 Pai Gow table, (say for $150), a player requests $100 in checks, and a $50 credit on his G3 betting system, for instance. From there, he can be what he wants on the bonus bet separately, and on the Progressive Jackpot, using the Standard bonus table and the listed progressive payout table, whatever the jackpot has reached. This G3 bonusing systems prevents "capping you bet" after seeing your cards, or after the cards are dealt, because it is locked closed by the dealer, after the dealer calls more more bets and starts the deal.

I am still not used to the G3 console, being an "old school" player and dealer. But it is VERY popular in Asian casinos (Macau, Singapore), and is being introduced in the American gaming market via DEQ.

I designed the game to be installed with a Bonus betting spot and Pai Gow Insurance Protection betting spot being right on the layout, - in addition to the main bet. However, I saw only one spot - for the main bet - plus an player's electronic console! I was disappointed only because I am so "Old School," and I am used to betting spots. All side bets were on the player's electronic console, called this "G3".

I can't bitch about DEQ's installation because:
- My distributor has every right to configure the game to the casino customer's exact specification, - period, end of story on that - and
- Cannery did indeed request to have a very simple or "elegant" layout, - while using the G3 electronic console for BOTH the bonus bet and progressive jackpot bet being on the G3 console.
- Cannery insisted on using/trying this new table game technology with my game.
- G3 effectively stops "chip mucking" or "past-posting" claims, when a big bonus is hit. Nobody can say, "Oh! I had $10 on the bonus with this Royal!" - not if the G3 is tracking it and says otherwise.

I Do wish they would add the Pai Gow bet. Only gripe.

Congratulations, Dan!

May there be many, many more.

Good Lord, I hope so.......

Oh, - ALMOST FORGOT:
No banking. Period. Zero. "This ain't a card room."
Told the dealer, "God bless you."
Good.

Mazel Tov! Best of luck!



It seems odd that there are side bets that are done thru the G3 console and one more that's done traditionally.

Sure, you need the G3 if you're doing multiple side bets at once, but why leave one as a traditional side bet?

I'd have to see it before I give an opinion. And, since I'm not really a side bet bettor, I'm not sure what I'd make of it.

Quote: Paigowdan

My wife and I jumped in my batmobile and drove on up to see.

On my last Vegas visit, Dan was kind enough to pick me up at the airport and drive me around and such.

You need an AWFUL lot of imagination to call that car a "Batmobile"! LOL

1. Batmobile? - A 2007 Hyundai Accent with a stick. I works....
I NOW have a 2011 Ford Focus - with custom plates, "PAIGOW8." Seriously! The Wifey now has the Hyundai. NOT retired yet - but making car payments...
Dave, YOU should get custom plates: "PokerROU," or even "Poker-FU" Something like that!
2. I think the G3 is a good way to handle side bets, but we are just used to having the spots on the layouts...

Quote: Paigowdan

2. I think the G3 is a good way to handle side bets, but we are just used to having the spots on the layouts...

Hmmm....
That might be why they left one as a traditional layout spot. Except I think people will be suspicious, and assume that it has a higher house edge than the others. Or maybe the other way around, or maybe something else, or....

That is great Dan! I can never get a seat at the EZ table in Fiesta Henderson on the weekends. Craig Rd is a bit of a drive for me. Do you think the Eastside Cannery will be getting an EZ Pai Gow table? That is much closer to my house and I could always driver over there when the table at Fiesta is full! Please let us know if you get anymore installs in town. Oh and I too like the Pai Gow bet. It pays as well as the bouns some nights.

A better question would be:

Any casinos with more than one EZPG table? Or any plans on installing more at casinos that already have it?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

It seems odd that there are side bets that are done thru the G3 console and one more that's done traditionally.

Sure, you need the G3 if you're doing multiple side bets at once, but why leave one as a traditional side bet?

If I'm reading it right, the main Pai Gow bet is made with chips but the two side bets are now made with the G3 bet manager. Is that right?

I just re-read the original post.

I misunderstood. Yeah, I originally thought there was a regular/large spot for the base bet, a small spot for one side bet, and the G3.

I now realize that there is only the one large regular bet spot, and every side bet is done thru the G3.

NOW it makes more sense.


HOWEVER.....

I think it might leave a bettor overwhelmed with choices as well as a learning curve. Is the learning curve too prohibitive? Time will tell.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Hmmm....
That might be why they left one as a traditional layout spot. Except I think people will be suspicious, and assume that it has a higher house edge than the others. Or maybe the other way around, or maybe something else, or....

Dave, the side bets are the same payout odds with same cards in every case, so mathematically, the odds (or HE) is exactly the same.
With ONE main bet, it shoud be easier to play any game, but most people are used to playing side bets the way they do.

So they will be PLAYING the table side bets via a keypad and display, instead of an old-fashioned betting circle, and it may just "feel" different at first. The dealer pays your bonus in "cash chips," but you make the bet with the keypad. (This is also how it would be done when your "Poker-for-Roulette" game goes live one day.) Casinos are using G3 (as well as "Hockey Puck" flashing bonus-bet circles) for potentially big payout bonus bets, because it's easier to track - and much hard to "past-post" or defraud a big payout by slight-of-hand if it hits.

For Clubflush, EZ Pai Gow is now live at the Primm Valley Casino in Primm, with the regular and standard betting circles for the bonus bets, which is what we're used to (- but THAT's a long drive from las Vegas) -
- but Cannery will be bringing in the EZ Pai Gow game to the East Side Cannery - as far as I know - next week - also with the electronic side-betting. And Rampart up in the Summerlin area sometime mid-month.

Become acquainted with this G3 side-betting on casino tables. It gives:
- Cleaner layouts, or less complex and confusing table layouts, with fewer betting spots that are manually processed.
- harder for a player to cheat on a big bonus payout. Casinos have to look at that.

I'd be just as happy to see my game without this electronic add-on at first, but if it works out, and works out well, I'll be happier to see it WITH it.

Quote: MathExtremist

If I'm reading it right, the main Pai Gow bet is made with chips but the two side bets are now made with the G3 bet manager. Is that right?

Yup, exactly! And the bet is paid off in chips, unless you want credit on the G3 meter. The G3 meter colors out to chips, as part of the coloring-out process.

I saw them install the game at Cannery, and I am not used to it myself, - but many people play Pai Gow with just a main bet, or with a single side bet, so it's much easier on Pai Gow.

This G3 thing is pretty standard in Macau and Singapore casinos, but is new to American casinos, and works well with Baccarat, Blackjack, and Pai Gow.

I can actually see the G3 console or Hockey-puck flashing light be used to track the Fire bet in craps, or new side bets in Roulette, but it's pretty much a Baccarat/Pai Gow/BJ thing. A LOT of Poker tables use it in California.

Quote: clubflush

Oh and I too like the Pai Gow bet. It pays as well as the bouns some nights.

Bad news - No Pai Gow insurance bet yet with any G3-based EZ Pai Gow.
The "Layout" based games have up to five side bet spots on the layout, including the Pai Gow bet, and the Pai Gow "Red-or-Black" bet.

Does the G3 system sound a little like the system discflicker has described?

Quote: thecesspit

Does the G3 system sound a little like the system discflicker has described?

DEQ has a slick website. Was just there reading about their systems.
check them out.
http://www.deq.com/

Quote: thecesspit

Does the G3 system sound a little like the system discflicker has described?

No. Not at all.

It's a very real casino product, and easy to use, but a bit foreign to the American casino market. It's a side bet system much like the existing "Red Light Hockey Puck" dollar bet progressive system we've all seen, but it uses a keypad instead, so you can bet a little more or a little less.

It's currently in use in many Macau (China) casinos, Singapore casinos, and in a LOT of West Coast card rooms.

It's like the "flashing red light" bonus bet that the dealer takes in, before he deals the cards - but the player keys in his bonus bet amount (on a keypad at his table position), also BEFORE the dealer the cards, same way.

If a jackpot is hit, then it's impossible for a player to slip a $1 chip or a $5 onto the betting spot, - after the fact.

Most of us are used to making bonus bets on the table's betting spots - (and believe me, so am I) - so I wasn't too crazy about my game using it, until explained why.

It's more flexible, and a LOT more fraud-proof if a big payout is hit, although players have to get used to it a little bit.

So is the sidebet sort of like the what TI uses/used on their paigow bonus? Display of your credits and ability to adjust it for the bonus bet? I think theres what a red led with the buttons built into the table. That's the only place on the strip where I saw such a bonus system. I think they randomly had winning bonus bets if you drew a particular card that was displayed on the screen.

Quote: Paigowdan

No. Not at all.

It's a very real casino product, and easy to use, but a bit foreign to the American casino market. It's a side bet system much like the existing "Red Light Hockey Puck" dollar bet progressive system we've all seen, but it uses a keypad instead, so you can bet a little more or a little less.

I'm not saying it didn't exist, I just wondered if it was close to the electronic betting system he's been talking about.

I had a look at the DEQ site, and to be honest, it seems to share some of the features... which maybe a problem for him at least, not for you :)

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It's currently in use in many Macau (China) casinos, Singapore casinos, and in a LOT of West Coast card rooms.

It's like the "flashing red light" bonus bet that the dealer takes in, before he deals the cards - but the player keys in his bonus bet amount (on a keypad at his table position), also BEFORE the dealer the cards, same way.

If a jackpot is hit, then it's impossible for a player to slip a $1 chip or a $5 onto the betting spot, - after the fact.

Most of us are used to making bonus bets on the table's betting spots - (and believe me, so am I) - so I wasn't too crazy about my game using it, until explained why.

It's more flexible, and a LOT more fraud-proof if a big payout is hit, although players have to get used to it a little bit.

Looks like there's a lot you can do with it - customise in new bets, add in bonus hands for short periods, and so on... nice....

There is still something about chips though (and I tend not to play the more passive games with bonus bets, so I suspect I'm not the target here anyways).

Cessy,
There is a LOT you can do with chips in your hand, just playing around.
And real players - gamblers - like that a real lot.

Quote: thecesspit

Does the G3 system sound a little like the system discflicker has described?

I say, yeah, kinda, sorta.

Both are electronic gizmos used to place bets at a casino, enable better record keeping for comps purposes, prevent fraud, and probably a few other details I left out.

But, the same can be said of a slot machine or a RapidRoulette terminal.

The point is, beyond that very basic similarity, they are very different.

Quote: SlangNRox

So is the sidebet sort of like the what TI uses/used on their paigow bonus? Display of your credits and ability to adjust it for the bonus bet? I think theres what a red led with the buttons built into the table. That's the only place on the strip where I saw such a bonus system. I think they randomly had winning bonus bets if you drew a particular card that was displayed on the screen.

From your description, that *is* the G3 system. Did it look like this?



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