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June 14th, 2023 at 11:25:29 AM permalink
Lets say I create a digital blackjack game. I dont want to shuffle the deck ever because that takes time and costs money.

Lets say i have a probability table that looks like this

Dealer's Up Card Dealer Odds of Busting Player Advantage Percentage
2 35.30% 9.8%
3 37.56% 13.4%
4 40.28% 18.0%
5 42.89% 23.2%
6 42.08% 23.9%
7 25.99% 14.3%
8 23.86% 5.4%
9 23.34% -4.3%
10 21.43% -16.9%
J 21.43% -16.9%
Q 21.43% -16.9%
K 21.43% -16.9%
A 11.65% -16.0%

When the game starts, I will RANDOMLY deal out the first 3, or 4 cards depending on the variant.

The next part is where the probability table comes in ... i will generate the next cards that will come out based on a probability table

is this legal?
DRich
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June 14th, 2023 at 12:56:56 PM permalink
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Lets say I create a digital blackjack game. I dont want to shuffle the deck ever because that takes time and costs money.

Lets say i have a probability table that looks like this

Dealer's Up Card Dealer Odds of Busting Player Advantage Percentage
2 35.30% 9.8%
3 37.56% 13.4%
4 40.28% 18.0%
5 42.89% 23.2%
6 42.08% 23.9%
7 25.99% 14.3%
8 23.86% 5.4%
9 23.34% -4.3%
10 21.43% -16.9%
J 21.43% -16.9%
Q 21.43% -16.9%
K 21.43% -16.9%
A 11.65% -16.0%

When the game starts, I will RANDOMLY deal out the first 3, or 4 cards depending on the variant.

The next part is where the probability table comes in ... i will generate the next cards that will come out based on a probability table

is this legal?
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I would guess that would not be approved. The probabilities need to be the same as if you were using a shuffled deck to be legal in most jurisdictions. I also do not understand the premise that shuffling an electronic deck takes much time or costs money. I would assume most shuffles can be completed in less than a tenth of a second.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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June 14th, 2023 at 1:02:30 PM permalink
You'd think card counters would notice the dealer gets more ten cards when the count is positive.
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June 14th, 2023 at 1:17:46 PM permalink
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Lets say I create a digital blackjack game. I dont want to shuffle the deck ever because that takes time and costs money.

Lets say i have a probability table that looks like this

Dealer's Up Card Dealer Odds of Busting Player Advantage Percentage
2 35.30% 9.8%
3 37.56% 13.4%
4 40.28% 18.0%
5 42.89% 23.2%
6 42.08% 23.9%
7 25.99% 14.3%
8 23.86% 5.4%
9 23.34% -4.3%
10 21.43% -16.9%
J 21.43% -16.9%
Q 21.43% -16.9%
K 21.43% -16.9%
A 11.65% -16.0%

When the game starts, I will RANDOMLY deal out the first 3, or 4 cards depending on the variant.

The next part is where the probability table comes in ... i will generate the next cards that will come out based on a probability table

is this legal?
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I would guess that would not be approved. The probabilities need to be the same as if you were using a shuffled deck to be legal in most jurisdictions. I also do not understand the premise that shuffling an electronic deck takes much time or costs money. I would assume most shuffles can be completed in less than a tenth of a second.
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the shuffling thing was supposed to be funny i know it doesnt take much and i know that the algorithm that is actually fair and is most likely used is so easy to implement that i should be doing that but im a human and need to complicate things

you wouldnt be able to tell me how the hands in "wasioux" were generated would you?.... i know the algorithm description from the patent but i feel as if there is alot more to it then picking the "winning hand" and then distributing the cards at a random distance... or please tell me that i have no clue what im talking about
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June 14th, 2023 at 11:10:54 PM permalink
I suspect you're allowed to use an infinite deck but not allowed to determine the Dealer's final score based on its probability and upcard. Remember while the chance of busting might be known, so do the chances of other totals - the distribution of these do affect the Player's strategy.
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