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zbrownson
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June 12th, 2022 at 9:25:42 PM permalink
Now that the show is over and I have had a couple days to unwind, here are my thoughts as a first-time exhibitor.

The week got started off on the wrong foot when I was unable the attend the opening reception and first full day of the conference, it killed me to miss this after all that gets invested. I was able to fly one of my play testers down to fill in, and am extremely thankful I had someone to represent although I know it was more than he bargained for and that some of the questions asked he was not prepared for. The two days I did attend I had lots of mixed feelings on.

On the plus-side:
- it was nice meeting other exhibitors/attendees (several of which are members of the forum), all were friendly and open to sharing their experiences. I definitely learned things I wouldn't have otherwise by this.
- I received a small handful of meaningful leads, and a few of these expressed meaningful interest that they might want my game in their casinos
- Received feedback on my game, though not as much as I would have thought, but enough I could take some recurring comments and work with them to make adjustments
- I enjoyed sharing my game with others and playing my fellow exhibitors games. Shout out to SphinxOfCups for his Rule Out game, very original and fun to play!

On the negative-side:
- Expensive for what you get.
- Using a third-party rental company and after being reassured they would deliver through the side door to non incur additional fees by the handling company, they did not, leaving myself and several others in having to incur additional costs. lesson learned. At least my table arrived, which I had limited confidence in happening.
- lower traffic flow than expected, I think having half of conference dedicated to game protection this may be expected, but was apparent my location was not ideal (this was on me, I should have planned this better). Hard to say if it mattered, as I believe those few potentially looking for new games made their rounds.
- table game contest - I will reserve my thoughts for another day

Would I exhibit again? I am not sure, it might depend on what traction I can get from the connections I made. I am thankful the conference happened though.
SphinxOfCups
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June 12th, 2022 at 9:49:42 PM permalink
Quote: zbrownson

Now that the show is over and I have had a couple days to unwind, here are my thoughts as a first-time exhibitor.

The week got started off on the wrong foot when I was unable the attend the opening reception and first full day of the conference, it killed me to miss this after all that gets invested. I was able to fly one of my play testers down to fill in, and am extremely thankful I had someone to represent although I know it was more than he bargained for and that some of the questions asked he was not prepared for. The two days I did attend I had lots of mixed feelings on.

On the plus-side:
- it was nice meeting other exhibitors/attendees (several of which are members of the forum), all were friendly and open to sharing their experiences. I definitely learned things I wouldn't have otherwise by this.
- I received a small handful of meaningful leads, and a few of these expressed meaningful interest that they might want my game in their casinos
- Received feedback on my game, though not as much as I would have thought, but enough I could take some recurring comments and work with them to make adjustments
- I enjoyed sharing my game with others and playing my fellow exhibitors games. Shout out to SphinxOfCups for his Rule Out game, very original and fun to play!

On the negative-side:
- Expensive for what you get.
- Using a third-party rental company and after being reassured they would deliver through the side door to non incur additional fees by the handling company, they did not, leaving myself and several others in having to incur additional costs. lesson learned. At least my table arrived, which I had limited confidence in happening.
- lower traffic flow than expected, I think having half of conference dedicated to game protection this may be expected, but was apparent my location was not ideal (this was on me, I should have planned this better). Hard to say if it mattered, as I believe those few potentially looking for new games made their rounds.
- table game contest - I will reserve my thoughts for another day

Would I exhibit again? I am not sure, it might depend on what traction I can get from the connections I made. I am thankful the conference happened though.
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I think we're largely in the same boat thoughts-wise. I was also quite unimpressed with the rental and delivery companies' communication. While I'm glad everything I ordered and needed was provided (except for some darn stools!), I would have felt much more emotionally prepared if I were left confident that I was going to have something to exhibit at all prior to the day of.

But yes, while it's hard to say by how much, I think the pros did outweigh the cons. I got some great feedback and I hope some genuine interest in my game, and it was wonderful to connect with so many other inventors, such as yourself zbrownson.

I remember getting a text from my uncle during the convention asking if I was worried about the competition I was up against, and I was able to confidently say, no. There were so many great games, and I genuinely think that there simply couldn't have been any case where the best game was definitely going to win, nor was that the primary reason I was there. I was certain Pick a Hand Poker and Baccarat Blitz we're a shoo-in to place, and I had no illusions that it wouldn't be an uphill battle for Rule Out!, but in the end I think I am quite satisfied with what I got out of the convention and the competition, even if it wasn't everything I expected.
YouDontSay00
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June 16th, 2022 at 6:17:53 PM permalink
Hi

Just curious, which game got 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Rule out won?

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SphinxOfCups
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June 16th, 2022 at 6:21:20 PM permalink
1st: Pocket Rockets (3rd year running)

2nd: 21 Stud

3rd: HotSeat Lotto
YouDontSay00
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June 16th, 2022 at 6:48:17 PM permalink
Quote: SphinxOfCups

1st: Pocket Rockets (3rd year running)

2nd: 21 Stud

3rd: HotSeat Lotto
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I do not see Pocket Rockets game on the website. Is there a link to the game?
SphinxOfCups
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June 16th, 2022 at 6:51:59 PM permalink
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Quote: SphinxOfCups

1st: Pocket Rockets (3rd year running)

2nd: 21 Stud

3rd: HotSeat Lotto
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I do not see Pocket Rockets game on the website. Is there a link to the game?
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It's by Casino Gaming Development; their link on the conference website just goes to their Poker Burnout app; they don't appear to have any online information for Pocket Rockets that I can find.

Maybe someone else grabbed their rack card, I regret that was one of the few games I didn't get around to checking out.
zbrownson
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June 21st, 2022 at 9:11:09 PM permalink
Quote: SphinxOfCups

Quote: YouDontSay00

Quote: SphinxOfCups

1st: Pocket Rockets (3rd year running)

2nd: 21 Stud

3rd: HotSeat Lotto
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I do not see Pocket Rockets game on the website. Is there a link to the game?
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It's by Casino Gaming Development; their link on the conference website just goes to their Poker Burnout app; they don't appear to have any online information for Pocket Rockets that I can find.

Maybe someone else grabbed their rack card, I regret that was one of the few games I didn't get around to checking out.
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I missed it too, but saw it explained on the b in the know podcast which explains it around the 9:40 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WozqW36PRjo
pays on players first two cards
11 or less even money
any ace, even money
blackjack 3:2
aces 10:1
suited aces 100:1
teliot
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June 22nd, 2022 at 7:12:57 AM permalink
Quote: zbrownson


I missed it too, but saw it explained on the b in the know podcast which explains it around the 9:40 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WozqW36PRjo
pays on players first two cards
11 or less even money
any ace, even money
blackjack 3:2
aces 10:1
suited aces 100:1
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For a six-deck game, I get a house edge of 9.20108830076676% (would love a double check on this). Also, vulnerable to card counting with the count system (-8,-1,-1,0,0,0,0,1,1,2), haven't run a sim to see how much (yet).
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teliot
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June 22nd, 2022 at 8:37:58 AM permalink
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Quote: zbrownson


I missed it too, but saw it explained on the b in the know podcast which explains it around the 9:40 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WozqW36PRjo
pays on players first two cards
11 or less even money
any ace, even money
blackjack 3:2
aces 10:1
suited aces 100:1
link to original post

For a six-deck game, I get a house edge of 9.20108830076676% (would love a double check on this). Also, vulnerable to card counting with the count system (-8,-1,-1,0,0,0,0,1,1,2), haven't run a sim to see how much (yet).
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With the count system (-8,-1,-1,0,0,0,0,1,1,2), a simulation of 200M six-deck shoes with the cut card at 52 cards (1 deck) gives the following:

Trigger true count = +6
Frequency of edge = 16.63%
Average edge = 10.77%
Win (in units) per 100 hands = 1.79

I'd say this is a bet that may get some interest if the game is in a deeply dealt six-deck shoe with something more than a $25 maximum bet allowed.

Of course, if this side bet is offered on a game with a manual shuffle and Ace sequencing is possible, or if Ace location is possible for any other reason, the upside may be considerably higher.

I'm going to withhold putting any of this on my website until the game (or developer) has a website, or otherwise I can find it on the web somewhere to confirm that this game actually exists. The vacuum of public information on this game and its win is unique in my experience.
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YouDontSay00
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June 22nd, 2022 at 12:21:12 PM permalink
What is a game developer's responsibility for a game that can be beaten by advantage play? Should he tell a casino the possible ways it could be beaten? He then potentially loses income, scaring of a casino. If he doesn't does he bear any responsibility if the casino took a big hit? I suppose it's best to tell the casino prior. Or make the game not attractive to advantage play. Is GLI suppose to make this known as a risk on their report?

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