maxpower
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September 10th, 2020 at 3:10:50 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Assume? Oy...
I hope the lawyer understands the uniqueness of casino game patents.

maxpower
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September 10th, 2020 at 3:11:51 PM permalink
Confidence is high
DJTeddyBear
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September 10th, 2020 at 3:36:23 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Dave, do you have an out with Galaxy if they don't get "x" number of placements in a certain time period? That was something I specifically requested with IGT and they gave it to me.

Yes.

And despite that there were zero installs and zero field trials, I was eager / willing to renegotiate when the 3 years ended. But they weren稚 interested.
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
Mission146
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September 25th, 2020 at 3:52:11 AM permalink
I'm hardly an expert on the subject and have obviously never seen a game to market, but I wrote a little article for people interested in the subject looking for some basic tips from sources that I have read.

Additionally, I offer ideas for two games that I've come up with:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/create-a-new-game/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
DJTeddyBear
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September 25th, 2020 at 7:31:50 AM permalink
Mission -

Nice article. But is it too late to edit? I have three comments:

1 - The link in the first paragraph should be labeled "Game Inventor's Corner" rather than "this section...". (Somewhat related: For the longest time, maybe still, the label "click here" far more often than not, linked to a download page for Adobe's Acrobat reader.)

2 - When mentioning Dan's great book, it should have a link to Amazon to purchase.

3 - The section on your new game concepts is WAY too long. I tended to gloss over it. That's how long it was. It should have had brief descriptions, with links to WoV threads where they could be better presented, with better formatted tables for the math, etc.



On a side note, a long while back, I promised to tell the full story of why Galaxy and I are no longer working together. I alluded to it above. Expect the full story in a few days.

Spoiler alert: It's not as juicy as you might imagine.
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Mission146
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September 25th, 2020 at 9:28:39 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Mission -

Nice article. But is it too late to edit? I have three comments:

1 - The link in the first paragraph should be labeled "Game Inventor's Corner" rather than "this section...". (Somewhat related: For the longest time, maybe still, the label "click here" far more often than not, linked to a download page for Adobe's Acrobat reader.)

2 - When mentioning Dan's great book, it should have a link to Amazon to purchase.

3 - The section on your new game concepts is WAY too long. I tended to gloss over it. That's how long it was. It should have had brief descriptions, with links to WoV threads where they could be better presented, with better formatted tables for the math, etc.



On a side note, a long while back, I promised to tell the full story of why Galaxy and I are no longer working together. I alluded to it above. Expect the full story in a few days.

Spoiler alert: It's not as juicy as you might imagine.



Thanks for the compliment!

1. I値l see if I can fix that; I don稚 do the links.

2. That痴 an excellent idea; I値l add that later on.

3. That痴 not a bad idea, though people could just read the rules and skip the math stuff.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
YouDontSay00
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December 2nd, 2020 at 11:11:56 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

For the live table game generally the best course of action is to get a few installs on your own. If you can take a successful game to the table game companies you will do a lot better. If the table game companies are taking all of the risk to get the first placements don't expect to make much money. Also be very careful and protect the game as much as possible. Table game patents are almost never granted anymore so make a digital version and patent that.



I have a provisional patent for my table game. So, what you are saying is have the patent written up describing the game in a digital format? Then your much more likely to get it patented? Then will you have patent protection to use it as a table game?
777
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December 3rd, 2020 at 1:28:28 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Table game patents are almost never granted anymore so make a digital version and patent that.



It doesn稚 make sense to me that 電igital patent is easier to obtain than an exact or equivalent method/process patent that does not rely on software or computer programming. What is the logic behind this?
USpapergames
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December 3rd, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM permalink
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It doesn稚 make sense to me that 電igital patent is easier to obtain than an exact or equivalent method/process patent that does not rely on software or computer programming. What is the logic behind this?



I know quite a lot about this subject since I just got a new patent this year. Your correct that it doesn't make sense that a digital medium would somehow make a game patentable. Something to note is that many supreme courts are currently over tuning judgements on digital novelty. Many gaming patents that were awards just 5 years ago wouldn't even be granted today. Also of equal importance is game nobility, which does not exist. If anything about your game is patentable, it must be completely novel & never used in anything currently available. Not just novel in games because you took some other idea and introduced it to games, what you patent must be novel to the world as a whole, many people struggle to understand this.

This is about all I'm willing to share, it feels weird helping my competition and not getting a paycheck :/
Math is the only true form of knowledge
DJTeddyBear
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December 3rd, 2020 at 5:03:30 PM permalink
If all you got is basically a new way to shuffle, deal, and score cards, it's not patentable. Add an electronic method / element, and maybe you got something.


Quote: 777

It doesn稚 make sense to me that 電igital patent is easier to obtain than an exact or equivalent method/process patent that does not rely on software or computer programming. What is the logic behind this?

Let me try to explain it.

As most people are aware, I created a side bet for Roulette. For more info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com

In short, players are betting that the result of the next 3 spins has a unique pokerish result.

On my website, I describe how the game can be dealt, without using any new / unique (read patentable) devices.

On the other hand, tracking the bet can be done with a sensor and electronics. THAT'S patentable. And the patent to protect the electronics can also protect the game involved.
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