maxpower
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September 8th, 2020 at 9:53:36 AM permalink
Hello out there!

I have a new game that I'm looking to launch with an online casino, due to the poop show that is Covid-19.
Any recommendations about this process? Should I be looking to partner with an Igaming company?
Do I need to produce a fully publishable app or is it better to bring a good prototype?
The game is designed as a live table game, should I submit it to Scientific for review or try to partner with a smaller player.
What are the best mid-size companies to pursue as a partner?

Thanks
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September 8th, 2020 at 10:31:53 AM permalink
For the live table game generally the best course of action is to get a few installs on your own. If you can take a successful game to the table game companies you will do a lot better. If the table game companies are taking all of the risk to get the first placements don't expect to make much money. Also be very careful and protect the game as much as possible. Table game patents are almost never granted anymore so make a digital version and patent that.
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September 8th, 2020 at 2:51:13 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

For the live table game generally the best course of action is to get a few installs on your own. If you can take a successful game to the table game companies you will do a lot better. If the table game companies are taking all of the risk to get the first placements don't expect to make much money. Also be very careful and protect the game as much as possible. Table game patents are almost never granted anymore so make a digital version and patent that.



ok because i always see advice like this coming from you... my question to you is .... what if a part of his game was already patented and for some reason he really couldnt find the exact prior art, and he produces the game, and when he shows the game to the gaming companies that they see he is trying to use a "feature" they already own as IP... what could possibly happen could he be sued? could he have to end up out of luck and out of the time he put into making the game?
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September 8th, 2020 at 5:56:06 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

ok because i always see advice like this coming from you... my question to you is .... what if a part of his game was already patented and for some reason he really couldnt find the exact prior art, and he produces the game, and when he shows the game to the gaming companies that they see he is trying to use a "feature" they already own as IP... what could possibly happen could he be sued? could he have to end up out of luck and out of the time he put into making the game?



If his game infringes a claim that is already patented the most likely scenario is he will get a cease and desist. There would be no point to be sued if he hasn't monetized it yet. You can only sue for monetary damages of the infringement. Most likely he would just have to modify the game so it doesn't infringe.

By patenting a video version of the game and patenting it, the patent examiners will do the work looking for infringement. Of course it will take about two years to get it patented.
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September 8th, 2020 at 8:02:37 PM permalink
That was the plan until recent events. Now the plan is to launch the mobile/app version first, while we see what the industry is going to look like when the pandemic ends.
We have a provisional patent, trademark and copyright.
What igaming companies are the best for new game inventors.
I've contacted Scientific and IGT, but I'm not sure I want to submit the game to them at this point.
Looking for a little guidance. The video patent has my interest for sure.
Thanks
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September 9th, 2020 at 4:02:11 PM permalink
Contact Jon Muskin at http://www.patentstrademarks.com
or Rich Newman at http://www.newmanlawlv.com

Both are attorneys that specialize in casino game patents and other related issues.

I've worked with both. They're really good guys who will give you a free consultation, as well as some free advice during that consultation.

Jon is based in Philadelphia, while Rich is in Las Vegas.

When you call, feel free to mention my name - my real name. Dave Miller.
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September 9th, 2020 at 6:26:46 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Contact Jon Muskin at http://www.patentstrademarks.com
or Rich Newman at http://www.newmanlawlv.com

Both are attorneys that specialize in casino game patents and other related issues.

I've worked with both. They're really good guys who will give you a free consultation, as well as some free advice during that consultation.

Jon is based in Philadelphia, while Rich is in Las Vegas.

When you call, feel free to mention my name - my real name. Dave Miller.



I also vouch for both of the attorneys above. Definitely recommend that as your next move.

And, the egame version seems to be the way to get a patent granted these days, not the live version. It can be very expensive to do the egame or an app for it, but if there's anything unique about your game, the best road to the patent is the egame version.
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September 10th, 2020 at 6:56:04 AM permalink
Thanks Dave,

We have a patent attorney working on the full patent, we currently have a provisional.
Assuming we are protected, are there any companies you would recommend working with?
I think I saw in another post that you have developed a game with Galaxy?
We are looking to produce the app/online version of this game while we let covid clear out.
Do you have any recommendations for app developers?
I understand that protecting our IP is of utmost importance. Once this is complete, would you recommend submitting the game to Scientific or IGT or going with a smaller company?

Thanks again for all the comments!
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September 10th, 2020 at 11:54:04 AM permalink
Quote: maxpower

We have a patent attorney working on the full patent, we currently have a provisional.
Assuming we are protected...

Assume? Oy...
I hope the lawyer understands the uniqueness of casino game patents.

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I think I saw in another post that you have developed a game with Galaxy?

Sort of.

I have two games. One is patented and I USED to have a marketing deal with Galaxy, but they basically put it on the shelf for several years. The other is patent pending, with no deals yet.

Info on both:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
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September 10th, 2020 at 1:56:57 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


I have two games. One is patented and I USED to have a marketing deal with Galaxy, but they basically put it on the shelf for several years. The other is patent pending, with no deals yet.

Info on both:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/



Dave, do you have an out with Galaxy if they don't get "x" number of placements in a certain time period? That was something I specifically requested with IGT and they gave it to me.
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