Rosebud
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June 28th, 2020 at 8:25:25 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

doh.. so BlackJack Switch wouldnt have made it in today's casino environment?



Talking to some Canadian casino operations, both that I spoke to gave me an expectation of 2%+ as a bare minimum for a game to be seriously considered if it is new and has no installations elsewhere. Given the pandemic, they said they are not really interested in installing new games unless they really think it can be lucrative enough to take the risk (operators here are pretty conservative). Especially since tables wont have 6 people at them for a while, so when casinos here do open, hold per table will be down (fewer people at the tables). But if they think your game can compensate for that (higher house edge while still being enjoyable enough to draw players), there is a better chance the game will get a trial.
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June 28th, 2020 at 12:10:39 PM permalink
Don't underestimate the value of sidebets, they can have a HE of over 3% but probably need a high-paying tempter (e.g. Pair Plus in 3CP).

I can understand some players won't play anything with a large HE, but your target audience is probably players looking for an easy game that's fun to play and gives a good run for your money with an opportunity to win something decent, If your base game can include, say, a 25/1 payout that has some advantages, but sometimes that means the maximums have to be lower.
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June 28th, 2020 at 1:31:28 PM permalink
Casino patrons have proved that they will play 15% hold games, when will we see 20%?
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Rosebud
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June 28th, 2020 at 2:00:34 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Don't underestimate the value of sidebets, they can have a HE of over 3% but probably need a high-paying tempter (e.g. Pair Plus in 3CP).

I can understand some players won't play anything with a large HE, but your target audience is probably players looking for an easy game that's fun to play and gives a good run for your money with an opportunity to win something decent, If your base game can include, say, a 25/1 payout that has some advantages, but sometimes that means the maximums have to be lower.



Thank you. I was originally not going to include one, but Ive been working on some side bet ideas.
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June 28th, 2020 at 2:49:48 PM permalink
For regular players, Id say the cap is around 2%.

If youre going to make 1,000 bets over a weekend with a fair payout of 1:1, actual payout of 9:10 for a 5% edge, you will lose about 19 of 20 weekends. Losing all the time is no fun
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June 28th, 2020 at 3:35:23 PM permalink
Rosebud,

Besides the house edge, you also have to consider the variance of the game. As a silly example, consider a game with a house edge of 1%. If the player loses exactly 1% every round (house takes in $100 and returns $99), then the variance is 0, and nobody would play.

Hope this helps!

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June 28th, 2020 at 5:02:21 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

For regular players, Id say the cap is around 2%.

If youre going to make 1,000 bets over a weekend with a fair payout of 1:1, actual payout of 9:10 for a 5% edge, you will lose about 19 of 20 weekends. Losing all the time is no fun



Thanks for putting it into context like this!
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June 28th, 2020 at 5:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: DogHand

Rosebud,

Besides the house edge, you also have to consider the variance of the game. As a silly example, consider a game with a house edge of 1%. If the player loses exactly 1% every round (house takes in $100 and returns $99), then the variance is 0, and nobody would play.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand



This is a good point - thank you. I guess there is a lot that goes into this consideration beyond the house edge. At the end of the day, I guess it's the hold that the casino cares about the most (and the amount of action the table gets).
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June 28th, 2020 at 6:07:28 PM permalink
This link below may be of some help in working out what type of games are the best

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.usaonlinecasino.com/blog/which-games-make-casinos-the-most-money/amp/


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June 28th, 2020 at 6:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: tough

I think the casinos should max out their house edge at 2.7%, like European roulette. Any more than this, like American roulette, and I think the game is a rip off.



Frankly, I find it amazing that anyone plays double zero roulette anywhere. And I was stunned to read that there are now Vegas casinos offering triple zero roulette! So if triple zero roulette exists (8% house edge?) , the sky is the limit, I guess.

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