Remz55
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June 30th, 2017 at 5:14:39 PM permalink
Hi guys,
so...
i have created a casino roulette game however and curious to what the casino will ask me to supply as i will soon be at the stage of actually approaching casinos and i do not want to go in unprepared.

i have the math all worked out professionally, houses edge ect. I am currently filing at patent, however im wondering what else they may ask.

the game will need chips in order to play, i have designs for this and manufacture but is this something they would rather get made themselves? (as we expect to lease all the rights to them)

another thing is the roulette table layout will be different to what they have, again we have designs and manufactures but unsure if they would rather print and use their own manufactures for the tables as they will have the rights to use logo layout
ect?

last but not least is the roulette display, the game will need to display the winning numbers and have a few other features with this being the case would we also supply the program as well as the actual display set up or
just the program?

Or neither?

Any help or advice would be very welcome I shall look forward to reading your replies

Many thanks
Paradigm
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July 1st, 2017 at 8:41:30 PM permalink
Sounds like you have a roulette variant that requires special chips & a new display and a proprietary software program. Those seem like huge implementation hurdles to get a casino executive over to put an unproven game on the floor. Not sure what advice to give you except its gonna be hard.
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RoyalBJ
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July 1st, 2017 at 8:51:05 PM permalink
If you were a casino operator, what would u ask a game inventor? Why should a casino operstor care If you have a patent or not? It's your business.

Casino only wants to know if this ,game can make money (big play number)
Remz55
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July 2nd, 2017 at 3:09:36 AM permalink
So your saying scrap all the designs ect I won't need to produce that? Just get the game right?
Remz55
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July 2nd, 2017 at 3:13:03 AM permalink
It only requires chips so dealer understands who's is who's, it would be possible to use current players chips and the players will never actually touch these chips they are more like counters, with the display it would be the same as it currently is just to display the winning number on our version, in what you questioned the changes are simple logo and look rather then what it actually does
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July 2nd, 2017 at 3:48:22 AM permalink
Hi, and good luck with your game.

In my opinion:

Anything that is custom, you will need to manufacture and supply. If your game plays on a conventional table, either blackjack size and shape or a regular roulette table, you can likely just provide the felt, or offer them a vector graphic for their felt vendor so they can choose the color and add their logo, as well as required printed notices (which will change by jurisdiction ). If the standard size works, but the table must be cut or altered for the installation, you should probably plan on providing the table anyway.

However, you will need to provide the custom electronic sign, the software, the data input method (whether electronic or hand-keyed), special chips if standard roulette colors or house gaming cheques won't do, and the roulette wheel if it has different values from a standard wheel.

If your game can use any standard equipment, sign or wheel or whatever, most casinos should be able to provide them. But I can't speak for them, and you should have a full working demo built regardless.

You will also want to provide table cards in the standard size for a rack display for players, or a template for the casino to print their own on their stock (These explain the game from the player's perspective, and are giveaways).

You will want to provide step-by-step dealer instructions, both in writing and in a training video. A math report, both the professional detailed one, and a one-page synopsis that brings out the house edge, any paytable info including available variations, expected hit rate.

You should also have the game analyzed for weaknesses and vulnerabilities such as collusion or whatever other issues may arise, both from dealers and players, and any safeguards or recommended practices to counteract them. Provide this information in a separate written report, even if it's negative ("there is no mathematical effect if 2 players collude", etc.) Ideally, this would be done by an independent expert, and may already be part of your math report. It's important that you show you've considered this.

You should prepare a speech, no longer than 30 seconds, that is an example of how a dealer would explain playing the game to a new player, and make it as simple as possible. You should be able to demonstrate the game (or hire someone to do it) using this intro speech. You should also memorize the math facts, vulnerabilities info, and any other details so that you can answer questions during the demo. It works best if you have 2 people, one to deal professionally, the other to talk and interact with your audience.

I would also suggest a marketing illustrated brochure with the basic info on the math, patent, game play, contact info, and layout that's a single sheet (both sides printed, folded like a brochure) and have a few hundred printed so you can leave them with anyone who's willing to talk to you, whether they let you demo the game to them or not.

These days, it seems wise to provide a Web page with a lot of these available. That would also be a good place to link a demo video and a training video. But I would put the website address in the brochure, possibly even with a password listed there, rather than making it public access. It's expensive to program, but possibly worthwhile, to have a working demo on the website. Hard to give you advice on some of these things, because you've not given a lot of details.

Again, since your game is custom, I strongly recommend you provide the entire package, what we call a turnkey operation. However, for at least the first few installs, you should be prepared to offer the use of your equipment and game for free for at least a few months, possibly lifetime on one or two, to get an initial placement.

All JMHO. YMMV.

Two recent and valuable books on this subject are available, both written by members on this website with much more experience than I have.

Jacobson, Eliot :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1883423171/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1498992316&sr=1-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=eliot+contemporary

Lubin, Dan :
http://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Casino-Game-Design-Table-Game/dp/1935396722/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1457445450&sr=8-2&keywords=dan+lubin
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kobalj
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July 7th, 2017 at 11:23:33 AM permalink
I was not as brave as you in that I merely created an original new table game as opposed to a game with unique custom apparatuses to play it on. Although I think they may be of great help to you getting a utility patent I would think that it may make an already difficult task even more difficult when it comes to getting the game played in a casino. In my opinion, the more custom made aspects of your game you have the harder it will be to make this materialize into reality unless each custom aspect or apparatus has been thoroughly tested by companies that specialize in doing such things. I am not just referring to the math and the HA but rather the physical aspects of your custom made aspects of your game. As I am sure you know every single custom piece will ultimately have to be approved by the gaming commissions of whatever jurisdictions it is that you are looking for the game to be played. I can tell you from first-hand experience they all put an extraordinary amount of effort into investigating every aspect of your game. It's not cheap either.
charliepatrick
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:04:14 PM permalink
There is a games showcase in the UK which has featured a few multi-spin roulette bets and other ideas, in that case the casino provides some help with making the cloths; but I've also seen custom made things (such as wheels, dice and cards). However I've never seen any of the multi-spin ones go to trial, so have little info to help.

As has been suggested, especially in card games, it is always easier for a casino to use existing things rather than anything custom made.

c.f. http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/18111-ricoh-coventry-showcase/2/ (page 3 has some photos but none of the multi-spin variety)
shrimpboatcapt
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July 16th, 2017 at 10:18:45 AM permalink
In my opinion, you're better off making a mobile game and marketing it with your budget as opposed to sinking resources into the bureaucracy of casino gaming. Your game sounds a little to creative with the changes needed, and no casino is going to fabricate custom tables for your unproven game. Besides, if you can get folks playing your mobile game, that will in the very least open a few doors for you down the line.

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