NTEK / NTGL
Quote: DRichAlthough I believe skill based games will have a place in future casinos, young people are not nearly as interested in gambling as generations before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investing.asp
Our games are not gambling to everyone who will play them.
There's a third middle-ground too: the gambler who thinks that he is investing because he got lucky.
Quote: muleyvoiceMy first hustle in high school was selling Irish sweepstakes tickets. Later I was security at crap games behind a bar.
There will be hustlers on our games. But most will likely talk about hustles rather than successfully profit from playing our game.
No matter, the success for the casino is in the math model. The players and the hustles to AP our game will be some of the more complex social interactions one might imagine.
Quote: EvenBobYou give future people too much credit.
People give your comments too much weight.
I think I read every one of them.
I think they're fun, in a weird way....
It shows you worked for IGT, a manufacturer of slot machines and some video game companies. None of which are casino gaming. If you started a company that made the best shoulder pads in the world, it would not make you an experienced NFL player iF every one usedan them. You have to work in a casino to have casino gaming experience.
It also shows you were the lead programmer for the guy who is now in prison for fraud at the company he was running at the time when he committed these crimes. Then the criminal hired you at NTEK.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I looked at the LinkedIn in page you linked to. The only thing I gained from that is that it says you were and are the president of the company for the last 2 years and 2 months and still are currently. False.
It shows you worked for IGT, a manufacturer of slot machines and some video game companies. None of which are casino gaming. If you started a company that made the best shoulder pads in the world, it would not make you an experienced NFL player iF every one usedan them. You have to work in a casino to have casino gaming experience.
It also shows you were the lead programmer for the guy who is now in prison for fraud at the company he was running at the time when he committed these crimes. Then the criminal hired you at NTEK.
I apologize for engaging you. But you also need to know that your perception of reality is very far off from my perception of reality, and you are in fact, in the above sentences both misrepresenting facts and you are also simply lying. To split hairs which statements are due to ignorance and which are due to intentionally misleading people is missing the point: you don't seem to care about the damage your statements may bring to me or to NTGL one iota, and it seems to me that you are intentionally making damaging statements aimed at me and aimed at NTGL.
Can't you just stop doing this please?
Quote: AhighI apologize for engaging you. But you also need to know that your perception of reality is very far off from my perception of reality, and you are in fact, in the above sentences both misrepresenting facts and you are also simply lying. To split hairs which statements are due to ignorance and which are due to intentionally misleading people is missing the point: you don't seem to care about the damage your statements may bring to me or to NTGL one iota, and it seems to me that you are intentionally making damaging statements aimed at me and aimed at NTGL.
Can't you just stop doing this please?
Nice edit.
Can you tell me which of my statements is not true so I can retract it?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Nice edit.
Go fly a kite!
Quote: Zcore13Can you tell me which of my statements is not true so I can retract it?
Do your own damn homework to clean up your lies.
https://youtu.be/naWnxwmnHrk
Quote: muleyvoiceaHIGH " There will be hustlers on our games. But most will likely talk about hustles rather than successfully profit from playing our game. " This time I am VERY confused.
Maybe hustle is the wrong word, but there will be players who are making money by doing smart moves that take advantage of other people's weaknesses.
But there will be more people TALKING about the hustle than PERFORMING the hustle.
That's my point.
I mean look at this thread. You have some people actually DOING things. Then you have these other people who are talking more about who they are making bold claims who have no real game to begin with.
I mean, it reminds me of going to Joker's Wild. I was with someone on this forum in fact, and maybe they remember. But we were in there playing on the dollar craps game, and some old geezer who was probably 72 years old held up about $14 in singles and $0.25 chips and exclaimed after we said we were just there to have fun that he was "in it for the money" shaking his $14 worth of chips.
When you have to stop and make a point about how great you are or how much money you are winning or what a pro you are, the chance are you are just TALKING about the hustle. You're not actually doing it.
That was my point: there will be more TALK about the real hustle that can be done on our games than there will be people really doing it.
The fact that it's possible to do it means there will be more people thinking that they are AP'ing our games than, let's just say, craps for example.
That's really verbose, but maybe it helps explain more than one thing at a time here.
Quote: AhighDo your own damn homework to clean up your lies.
You say Zcore is lying and posting misleading
statements, and he asks you to point them out,
and you refuse to do it?
Really? Are you sure that's the path you should take
here. He's making a reasonable request, I saw
no lies in his post, point out where he's misleading
anybody.
Quote: nathalie567really?that souds great...
With your writing style, it is pretty easy to see who your original moniker was. You should change it up on your next name.
Quote: EvenBobYou say Zcore is lying and posting misleading
statements, and he asks you to point them out,
and you refuse to do it?
Really? Are you sure that's the path you should take
here. He's making a reasonable request, I saw
no lies in his post, point out where he's misleading
anybody.
You do this crap all the time yourself. Someone asks you a question, and instead of answering the damn question you make an assignment.
Screw that crap and do your own damn work. The truth is that this sort of behavior is abusive. Plain and simple.
NOT DOING YOUR WORK EITHER.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I always do my homework. I did my homework on the link that you provided for me of your LinkedIn page. My information came from that page. Please show me where I was incorrect and I will retract the statement and apologize if the information I got off your page is be misinterpreted. I assumed since you gave me the link that you wanted me to look at it.
No you didn't. You came up with lies.
Not my job to correct you. It's NOT. I have said this before, but I don't like you. I don't like how you attack me. And you are not my friend. You have had many chances to be friendly to me. Many chances to apologize. Many chances to act like a man. You've ALWAYS chosen to continue the abuse you direct at me and at NTGL.
We aren't friends. Just stop doing what you're doing.
I want (everyone on this forum) to see all of YOUR gaming experience to contrast with me, who you claim has "no gaming experience."
Let's just see if you will post that up.
Quote: AhighNo you didn't. You came up with lies.
You are funny. You love to tell people they are lying, but then can't point to the situation where it's true. I only stated three things. One, that your profile said you have been the President for two years and two months and currently were. Was that incorrect? To let you work for IGT who is a slot machine manufacturer. Was that incorrect? And 3, that you once worked for the guy that is in prison for fraud and he was involved and you being hired with his new company. Is that incorrect?
Please tell me which is wrong so I can look into it and apologize for my error if it's true.
ZCore13
I interpreted that to mean that you had never been employed by a casino in their table games or slots department. I am not sure if that is true or not, I'm just saying, that's how it read to me.Quote: Ahigh"no gaming experience."
Quote: teliotI interpreted that to mean that you had never been employed by a casino in their table games or slots department. I am not sure if that is true or not, I'm just saying, that's how it read to me.
That is correct. That is the normal interpretation of gaming. Adults don't call working for a video game company as gaming. I've never heard of anyone saying they work in gaming when they work for a munufacturer. Gaming is working on the floor or overseeing parts of the operation of a casino.
ZCore13
Think of Binion's. It is(was) called a "'Gambling' Hall and Casino." Not a 'Gaming' Hall.
Quote: Zcore13That is correct. That is the normal interpretation of gaming. Adults don't call working for a video game company as gaming. I've never heard of anyone saying they work in gaming when they work for a munufacturer. Gaming is working on the floor or overseeing parts of the operation of a casino.
ZCore13
I am now the second one who says he works in Gaming and have mainly worked for manufacturers. This is my 22nd year working in Gaming.
I disagree that working for a manufacturer is being in gaming. If you work for a casino, the terms used are "gaming" for those working for the casino, "regulatory" for those that might work in the casino but oversee the operation and have no supervisory or decision making power over the employees. "Vendor", "Manufacturer" or "Distributor" for those that supply the games to the casino.
I will try and remember to change the term I use to "working in a casino" to be more specific for those that are confused by the term I use, "gaming" to describe this.
Any instances of me saying the term "gaming" in the past are meant to convey working in the casino.
ZCore13
Bigger question is if they have been approached by any big players to buy either the patents or the company.
I know Aaron can't comment on much of this for disclosure reasons but it is hard to see anything happening in the near future with the warning signs out there.
But there is still time to sell this year if you have a need for a loss to offset gains for taxes.
Quote: BozA lot of bickering about the word "gaming".
The real point is that Zcore has a long history of making damaging statements aimed at me and/or people that work for and/or with me.
Maybe someone on this forum could come up with a comprehensive list of such statements.
It's not even about the semantics. It's about intent.
Quote: AhighThe real point is that Zcore has a long history of making damaging statements aimed at me and/or people that work for and/or with me.
Maybe someone on this forum could come up with a comprehensive list of such statements.
It's not even about the semantics. It's about intent.
The list would be very short. Just because you don't like the truth or an educated opinion, that doesn't make it damaging or aimed at you.
You've been abusive to casino workers and fellow players in the past. I didn't like that.
You claimed some casinos were purposely using bad dice. I called you out on it and you later changed your tune on the subject.
You claimed you could and would prove dice influence. I disagreed on both points. You were not able to prove either.
You invented a pinball machine that you said would go into casinos and change the way gambling is done. You also said the game would be a $100 minimum bet and would be played in high limit card rooms. I vehemently disagreed on all points, saying it would never work that way. You've since reduced the minimum bet and have no installs or announced commitments in over a year.
When you got promoted to President I said it could me a money saving thing to have you wear two hats. Very common for new and struggling businesses alike. But not usually a good idea, especially when the new President does not have that kind of background. You got angry. Then 3 months later you're not President anymore.
I would like to see where I've been wrong. It seems to me I'm pretty accurate when I post on this forum, whether it has any relationship to you or any other topic. The only intent is to help/correct people when they are presenting incorrect or not well thought out plans. You don't seem to take helpful comments from people as they are intended most of the time. I've provided many of them for you from the very beginning, some of which you've actually ended up doing, at no charge.
ZCore13
I sort of understand what you're saying, but none of my clients would suggest I'm not "in gaming" even though I've never worked behind a table or on the slot floor. Similarly, I wouldn't say that Roger Snow only has gaming experience because he used to be a dealer and that nothing about running SHFL's product pipeline is relevant. I think it's a matter of context: inside a casino resort, "gaming" is different from "marketing" or "hotel" or "food and beverage." But bigger picture, the casino itself is in the gaming industry, as are all of the suppliers and consultants to it (like me).Quote: Zcore13I disagree that working for a manufacturer is being in gaming. If you work for a casino, the terms used are "gaming" for those working for the casino, "regulatory" for those that might work in the casino but oversee the operation and have no supervisory or decision making power over the employees. "Vendor", "Manufacturer" or "Distributor" for those that supply the games to the casino.
I will try and remember to change the term I use to "working in a casino" to be more specific for those that are confused by the term I use, "gaming" to describe this.
Any instances of me saying the term "gaming" in the past are meant to convey working in the casino.
Quote: Zcore13The list would be very short. Just because you don't like the truth or an educated opinion, that doesn't make it damaging or aimed at you.
You've been abusive to casino workers and fellow players in the past. I didn't like that.
You claimed some casinos were purposely using bad dice. I called you out on it and you later changed your tune on the subject.
You claimed you could and would prove dice influence. I disagreed on both points. You were not able to prove either.
You invented a pinball machine that you said would go into casinos and change the way gambling is done. You also said the game would be a $100 minimum bet and would be played in high limit card rooms. I vehemently disagreed on all points, saying it would never work that way. You've since reduced the minimum bet and have no installs or announced commitments in over a year.
When you got promoted to President I said it could me a money saving thing to have you wear two hats. Very common for new and struggling businesses alike. But not usually a good idea, especially when the new President does not have that kind of background. You got angry. Then 3 months later you're not President anymore.
I would like to see where I've been wrong. It seems to me I'm pretty accurate when I post on this forum, whether it has any relationship to you or any other topic. The only intent is to help/correct people when they are presenting incorrect or not well thought out plans. You don't seem to take helpful comments from people as they are intended most of the time. I've provided many of them for you from the very beginning, some of which you've actually ended up doing, at no charge.
I'm going away for a holiday. I hope everyone enjoys their time while I am away.
Quote: AhighI'm going away for a holiday. I hope everyone enjoys their time while I am away.
Damn trying to run a business! I miss everything while trying to make a living. So does this mean I should or shouldn't move my IRA (YES, I still have an old school IRA) into NTEK stock?
Anyways, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Happy Holidays!
Quote: AhighI'm going away for a holiday. I hope everyone enjoys their time while I am away.
Going to spend that massive bonus you got
for being president I bet. Don't worry, we'll
keep an eye on the stocks. NTEK is firmly
below half a penny now, some say it should
hit 1/4 of a penny by Xmas. It's a bargain,
why aren't more people snapping it up.
I see where Ahigh has self suspended
himself for a year. Of course he could change
that tomorrow, it really doesn't mean
anything.
Quote: AhighI'm going away for a holiday. I hope everyone enjoys their time while I am away.
You edited this completely. Probably a good thing; I was writing a longer post with a caution.
I would have preferred you didn't leave, but with things as volatile as they are in your life right now, I guess it's to your benefit to take a break. Be well, do well.
the table games manager. We were talking
and he mentioned being at the big show
in Vegas this fall. I asked him about Ahigh's
games and he said he'd played them. When he
heard there was a chance the player could
beat the casino, he lost all interest immediately.
He said casinos are extremely leery now of
any game that has the slightest chance of
being AP'd. If his boss even got a whiff of
that, the door is slammed hard. They don't
care about the math or the details or the
revolutionary idea of it. Just don't let it in
my casino was their attitude.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou edited this completely. Probably a good thing; I was writing a longer post with a caution.
I would have preferred you didn't leave, but with things as volatile as they are in your life right now, I guess it's to your benefit to take a break. Be well, do well.
Babs to the rescue once again, despite the trail of broken hearts she has left behind.
May the force be with you, Ahigh.
I wish he would have just answered a few questions honestly about NTEK rather than acting belligerent and accusing people of lying. I don't understand penny stocks very well. I did not invest in NTEK, primarily because of AHigh's less than forthright approach to answering concerns here. On the other hand, I own quite a few shares of Galaxy Gaming (GLXZ), which is also a penny stock. Paigowdan represented them well. He spoke intelligently and honestly about their products and prospects.Quote: muleyvoiceMay the force be with you, Ahigh.
Quote: EvenBobI was in a local casino tonight where I know
the table games manager. We were talking
and he mentioned being at the big show
in Vegas this fall. I asked him about Ahigh's
games and he said he'd played them. When he
heard there was a chance the player could
beat the casino, he lost all interest immediately.
He said casinos are extremely leery now of
any game that has the slightest chance of
being AP'd. If his boss even got a whiff of
that, the door is slammed hard. They don't
care about the math or the details or the
revolutionary idea of it. Just don't let it in
my casino was their attitude.
Which is basically what Zcore has been saying all along.
Quote: teliotI wish he would have just answered a few questions honestly about NTEK rather than acting belligerent and accusing people of lying. I don't understand penny stocks very well. I did not invest in NTEK, primarily because of AHigh's less than forthright approach to answering concerns here. On the other hand, I own quite a few shares of Galaxy Gaming (GLXZ), which is also a penny stock. Paigowdan represented them well. He spoke intelligently and honestly about their products and prospects.
Ahigh is Ahigh. His passion often overrides his common sense. Paigowdan is a gentleman in the truest sense of the word.
ZCore13
a less skilled bettor. Not exactly what Ahigh was selling. This video is about the first skillful games you will see
in casinos. REALLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1WJgLm0zLk
Quote: muleyvoice
Quote: RockFinleyAnyone know that sleepy2016 moron on Liehub who loves to troll this forum?
I see a nuke coming. Are you a Finley fan? Do
you send him CARE packages while he's in the
slammer?
Quote: RockFinleyAnyone know that sleepy2016 moron on Liehub who loves to troll this forum?
You're wondering about the ID of" sleepy2016" due to a reference at investorshub, I suppose?
Aaron's taking some massive body shots at that board.
Cruel world.
Quote: RockFinleyI think you are s lying basher myself
Personal insult -- three-day suspension. I'm not sure who the insult is against, but I presume it is someone on the forum.
For the benefit of the Americans on the forum, according to Dictionary.com, the most fitting definition of a bash in this context is "to hurl harsh verbal abuse at." However, it was more so the "lying" part that bothers me.
At least that's how it looks to me. Why would any casino allow skill players to have an advantage ? With all the paranoia about counters at table games, does anyone really thing the slot games manager will buy into this concept? Really And if so, please explain the logic behind that thought process.
Really? You should go through AHigh's recent posts then, and count the number of times he accused zScore of lying (yes, that same word, "lying"). Just go through this thread, for a start.Quote: WizardHowever, it was more so the "lying" part that bothers me.
E.g.
December 18th, 2015 at 8:01:08 AM
December 17th, 2015 at 10:10:06 PM
December 17th, 2015 at 9:50:34 PM
The topic of this thread is investing in NTEK, which is something I considered doing at one point. I found AHigh's comments and the way he conducted himself in this thread to be reason by itself to not invest. However, there are many other points that were brought up in this thread that are also good reasons to not invest in NTEK, so this thread has considerable value to some of us. In particular, the issues of dilution, the balance sheet and of David Foley's character. Others discussed the game's viability given the possible AP issues. Others asked about current placements or promises of placement. Some posters in this thread had some enlightening things to say in general about penny stocks. I just never expected to see someone other than AHigh suspended for saying the word "lying" in this thread.
I read this on Friday, and it pretty much put an end to my interest in NTEK:
Nanotech Letter to Shareholders
