Deucekies
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June 28th, 2014 at 1:07:34 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I think almost two years.

I will say Three Card Poker had the most incredible run of any proprietary game, and has become a Casino Pit "permanent standard" like Pai Gow Poker or BJ or Craps.


That's why I'm so surprised it didn't go over well in our joint. We only had a small handful of people who wanted to play it, not enough to justify having it.
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Paigowdan
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June 28th, 2014 at 1:10:44 PM permalink
Every gambling hall has its own players' group personality.

Some games that are a hit in 9 out of 10 casinos bomb here and there. Other games that don't take hold in any sort of a big way become an absolute standard at a handful of scattered card rooms, never to be removed.

Edit: things like 3x WPT, 6-card Pai Gow, 3-hand Hold 'em, Texas Shootout, etc., have a small group of local joints here it's "the house game of OUR house!" Two Cards High is a game that could never take off here in the states, but there are some Casinos in South Korea where it is just da bomb, and gets action like crazy.
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June 28th, 2014 at 2:11:08 PM permalink
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Two Cards High is a game that could never take off here in the states, but there are some Casinos in South Korea where it is just da bomb, and gets action like crazy.

This perhaps shows that casinos can be more "nimble" with table games than they can be with slot machines. I'm curious as to why you predict that TwoCardsHigh could never take off in the states? It reminds me of that cartoon about the NFL players being on strike and saying they are irreplaceable while in the background two suomo wrestlers are approaching carrying their resumes.
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June 28th, 2014 at 2:14:48 PM permalink
Slots can be changed in a heartbeat. Table games are a different animal.
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Paigowdan
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June 28th, 2014 at 2:34:05 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

This perhaps shows that casinos can be more "nimble" with table games than they can be with slot machines. I'm curious as to why you predict that TwoCardsHigh could never take off in the states? It reminds me of that cartoon about the NFL players being on strike and saying they are irreplaceable while in the background two suomo wrestlers are approaching carrying their resumes.



They tried at the Riviera and Flamingo, and it just didn't catch on here. It uses a Baccarat type hand - 5 cards to make a zero point 3-card hand, with high cards/pair to win the top. See WOO entry. I like the game, a fun thing, but it was a case of "Try it - you'll like it!" versus "I'm not gonna try it" winning out.
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June 28th, 2014 at 2:41:42 PM permalink
3 card poker never really caught on in Colorado and SWITCH was DOA. Yet in Ameristar , which has 38% of the market, 6 of the 12 BJ tables have STREAK as the side bet. But the most popular BJ side bet and leading in table placements is Buffalo Bust Bonus.

The limits were raised a few years ago to $100, but Colorado is still a $5 market.
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June 28th, 2014 at 2:53:46 PM permalink
I know that SHFL ( screw bally ) will get placements in Colorado for Free Bet and House Money. Free Bet might survive, I doubt that House Money will.
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June 28th, 2014 at 3:12:58 PM permalink
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Slots can be changed in a heartbeat. Table games are a different animal.


Individual slot machines can be changed in a heartbeat. Move it. Yank it. Change the pretty pictures, change the bells, change the whistles, change the par sheets. Try new, try old, etc. Sure that stuff is all "heartbeat"... but a casino gets too much revenue from its slot machines to change them all at once. Its like changing the entire menu versus adding one item.

Table games requires paper work, some training, some space allocation and some observation, but putting in one game of XXXXXX is easy. It won't send everyone out the door and its not likely to bring everyone in the door either.
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June 28th, 2014 at 4:33:11 PM permalink
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Table games requires paper work, some training, some space allocation and some observation, but putting in one game of XXXXXX is easy. It won't send everyone out the door and its not likely to bring everyone in the door either.



True. Each new table game requires a ton of math and paperwork to get started, and for each jurisdictional approval, though game variations and independent BJ side bets are easier.

But once approved, additional tables in a gaming area are a layout install and a session of dealer/floor training.
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June 28th, 2014 at 6:21:10 PM permalink
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Edit: things like 3x WPT, 6-card Pai Gow, 3-hand Hold 'em, Texas Shootout, etc., have a small group of local joints here it's "the house game of OUR house!" Two Cards High is a game that could never take off here in the states, but there are some Casinos in South Korea where it is just da bomb, and gets action like crazy.



Going to KC on thursday, Texas Shootout is a "house game" of Harrah's NKC. Also saw high card flush there a few weeks ago, was thinking about giving it a try, but the table was full.

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