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AcesAndEights
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January 29th, 2014 at 10:25:04 AM permalink
Quote: hwccdealer

Hence the idea of an auto-shuffler, the kind used to take money at my casino from ploppies who play War and 6-5 Blackjack. Frankly, this type of game would be perfect for a "party pit" atmosphere with low limits and people who don't understand how to gamble. The main difficulty I would have is all the bets that would pay "x to 2" or "x and a half to 1." Also to simplify the betting structure from roulette, since, as a dealer, I try to explain the difference between $15 minimum on the outside (per bet) and $15 minimum on the inside (combined.) And the maximums are tricky, too, with inside max being $50 any way to a number but outside max being either $2500 or $5000. I would just make the whole thing "$10 minimum combined or $500 maximum combined, no more than $50 on any spot" and assume most ploppies could understand it.

If the game has been tried and failed in other places, I would love to see what didn't work. We don't have anything like it at my casino and none of my co-workers have ever heard of such an idea. I also didn't see it in PR or Vegas, so I assume it's a very niche game for now.


I was poking fun at an old carnival game called "Baccalette" that was destroyed by James Grosjean. I can't find much about it on the intarwebs, other than this Cigar Aficionado article.

Frankly it doesn't sound very similar at all to your proposal. At least you are smart enough to realize the extreme countability and mandate it be dealt out of a CSM.
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hwccdealer
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February 7th, 2014 at 11:34:35 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

I was poking fun at an old carnival game called "Baccalette" that was destroyed by James Grosjean. I can't find much about it on the intarwebs, other than this Cigar Aficionado article.

Frankly it doesn't sound very similar at all to your proposal. At least you are smart enough to realize the extreme countability and mandate it be dealt out of a CSM.



The CSM is probably the easiest way to avoid counting, but an idea I would borrow from baccarat - burn, baby, burn. Maybe not in the same manner as baccarat (i.e. draw a card, burn the face value) but similar, like, say, burn three cards, draw two, let the player pick, put the burn cards and unused cards face-down in the rack to be re-shuffled.

I suppose I could also do single-deck alternating the way we do at my casino for carnival games, spit out seven cards or so, let a player pick one, and go with it. Whatever prevents counting.

MrCasinoGames' second idea is similar to mine but not quite the same, although from the link, it was hard to get details about the game. I do like the idea of a five-card draw for the game, but mainly as a side bet. For that matter, if I go with the CSM, I would borrow another idea from double-wheel roulette and take parlay bets, mainly for the idea of "Holy crap, I can win 2500-1 if I hit back-to-back kings of diamonds" and take a 14.3% house edge from greedy ploppies.
NowTheSerpent
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August 28th, 2014 at 5:30:25 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

At least you are smart enough to realize the extreme countability and mandate it be dealt out of a CSM.



Why couldn't you shuffle a single deck of 38 cards, draw one card, call it, replace it, reshuffle, re-deal; or have one 38-card deck deal while the other reshuffles?
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August 28th, 2014 at 7:03:08 AM permalink
Quote: NowTheSerpent

Why couldn't you shuffle a single deck of 38 cards, draw one card, call it, replace it, reshuffle, re-deal; or have one 38-card deck deal while the other reshuffles?



I haven't seen an effective shuffle that takes less than 30 seconds.

If 3 rounds every 2 minutes is fast enough to make money, maybe.
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August 28th, 2014 at 7:27:50 AM permalink
Quote: NowTheSerpent

Why couldn't you shuffle a single deck of 38 cards, draw one card, call it, replace it, reshuffle, re-deal; or have one 38-card deck deal while the other reshuffles?


Games like this can't be hand shuffle, because it is quite easy to fix the deck for a one card Draw.

e.g. you can fix it so you know which cards (just a Few cards will do) are not going to show up or which cards are likely to show up.

P.S. I have try to make games like this for over 15 years. The problems I've come across is how to overcome the security of the game without using expensive equipments.
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NowTheSerpent
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August 28th, 2014 at 2:59:42 PM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

Games like this can't be hand shuffle, because it is quite easy to fix the deck for a one card Draw.

e.g. you can fix it so you know which cards (just a Few cards will do) are not going to show up or which cards are likely to show up.

P.S. I have try to make games like this for over 15 years. The problems I've come across is how to overcome the security of the game without using expensive equipments.



If you have replacement after every card, then multi-deck with the Mystery-Roulette shuffler would play the same as single-deck, wouldn't it, and with better mixing?
hwccdealer
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August 28th, 2014 at 3:12:32 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

I haven't seen an effective shuffle that takes less than 30 seconds.

If 3 rounds every 2 minutes is fast enough to make money, maybe.



Since it will take longer than that for people to place their bets, I can't imagine there will be an issue with that. I could just go with two 54-card decks, plop out seven cards, and either let players pick or use a random number generator or a die or something to pick a card (six cards if I use a die.)

As for issues like "bet pays 11-2 on a $1 bet" I think a special lammer to denote "get the player an extra buck next time" would work best. That or one that indicates they owe us 50 cents and need to pay up when they color up would be better for getting players to lose that extra dollar, but I know asking people for that extra 50 cents would suck. Might be worth it for a 3.7% house edge - higher than a lot of games but not above the Wizard's 5% red line.
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August 28th, 2014 at 4:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Combining cards and roulette is an idea that many people have considered. It's already in California


Must be an older casino. The newer tribal compacts all have bans on card roulette (as well as electronic roulette and pretty much every other kind of roulette).
NowTheSerpent
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August 28th, 2014 at 8:33:31 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

I haven't seen an effective shuffle that takes less than 30 seconds.

If 3 rounds every 2 minutes is fast enough to make money, maybe.



102 dice rolls per hour is one roll every 35 seconds.
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August 28th, 2014 at 8:41:26 PM permalink
" I've never seen anything like what I'm about to suggest anywhere and almost wonder why no one's thought of it. "

Yeah ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faro_%28card_game%29
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