Paradigm
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June 2nd, 2017 at 10:38:59 AM permalink
I have to agree with Axel, public viewing of the event if a whole different animal. Just ask your local bar what they pay for an MMA fight versus what you pay at home to have the same content on your TV/Monitor. If Casino's get into public viewing and betting on video game content displayed in the public market, the game developers are going to start asking for a cut.
Zcore13
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June 2nd, 2017 at 10:59:56 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I have to agree with Axel, public viewing of the event if a whole different animal. Just ask your local bar what they pay for an MMA fight versus what you pay at home to have the same content on your TV/Monitor. If Casino's get into public viewing and betting on video game content displayed in the public market, the game developers are going to start asking for a cut.



The game developers will be making the Casino game specifically for that environment. Instead of buying a $20,000 slot machine or leasing a slot machine from Konami or IGT, it will be from companies like EA (Sports games) or Infinity Ward (Call of Duty) or Nintendo (Mario games).

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Paradigm
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June 2nd, 2017 at 1:27:34 PM permalink
I still wonder who will play these skill based video games except the pros/sharks...you are going to run into the same problem as you have with Gamblit games: Direct competition vs your opponent without the veil of a betting strategy or simply getting lucky, like in poker, means that the everyday gambler never has a chance against a professional. There can be no Moneymaker or Jamie Gold stories in a world of 100% physical skill based gaming/gambling...that means the vast majority of folks never want to play for any sustainable time period...sure they will play as a lark, like Gamblit games are finding out, but players won't be coming back time and time again to play any pure skill based games head to head.
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June 2nd, 2017 at 1:33:27 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So it's not like a Video or something, I'm not sure if the laws changed, but I was under the impression you couldn't rent a video and then show it to a group of people without permission or something like that.

Somehow I think if the casinos were doing this, the Video game people would want a cut.

Well they'd be BUYING copies of the game, since they'd be cheap enough ($50 per copy only need a couple copies). After that what's to stop me from letting my friend play my copy of the game I bought?

They're not viewing an "event" it's a local game. It's not a televised promotion. So you're telling me if I have a party and 100 people show up and I play a game of Halo (not even online but privately) they're not allowed to watch? lol?

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The game developers will be making the Casino game specifically for that environment. Instead of buying a $20,000 slot machine or leasing a slot machine from Konami or IGT, it will be from companies like EA (Sports games) or Infinity Ward (Call of Duty) or Nintendo (Mario games).

ZCore13

Instead of buying a few more $20k slot machines... How about 10 flat screens (bundled at about $700 each) then 10 xboxes (bundled at about $300 each), then the top 10 biggest games (10 copies each) at $60 a piece... That alone adds up to $16k and opens up an entire new wing of the casino to an entirely new market of patrons.

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I still wonder who will play these skill based video games except the pros/sharks...

Exactly what I said in my earlier post. The newbs will play for a year or two because hey it's the new thing and maybe they can win. But once the word has spread that you'll just lose unless you're pro then people will stop playing. MLG has been going strong for decades because they do MONTHLY tournaments all over in major cities, etc. Even they had the same couple teams always winning for years in Halo, but every now and then they'd have an upset to an up and coming team which was enough hope to get everyone involved. Plus, if you're that good (but not pro) it was something you always wanted to do... just play in an MLG event. So every new city had a new list of people that just wanted to play in one and basically donated their money to the top teams. Then they'd make the tour again the next year for the people that missed, the fresh faces, and the returning people that think they can do better.
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Paradigm
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June 2nd, 2017 at 2:13:39 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

They're not viewing an "event" it's a local game. It's not a televised promotion. So you're telling me if I have a party and 100 people show up and I play a game of Halo (not even online but privately) they're not allowed to watch? lol?


This is exactly what I am saying...private space vs. public space and the uses are different. I guarantee that if this type of public viewing/wagering event was known to be happening, and it will be if this event is played in big tournaments at casinos where you can wager on players or on each other, that this "commercial use" is not part of the use that a $60 game copy that you buy at GameStop provides.
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June 2nd, 2017 at 2:29:45 PM permalink
No way on earth you can but and Xbox and game and put it in a casino for the casinos to make money.


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June 2nd, 2017 at 2:40:06 PM permalink
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June 2nd, 2017 at 2:54:10 PM permalink
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No way on earth you can but and Xbox and game and put it in a casino for the casinos to make money.


ZCore13


Why not? There are a bunch of huge video game tournaments. They could set it up like poker rooms and take a rake.
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June 2nd, 2017 at 3:13:44 PM permalink
You can play solo in a skill based game, and don't need opponent(s).

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June 2nd, 2017 at 3:57:21 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Why not? There are a bunch of huge video game tournaments. They could set it up like poker rooms and take a rake.


Because an XBox you can buy at Target will not meet the specifications required of an electronic device used in gaming in any jurisdiction.

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