New Total Rewards bonus
As you may have heard, a Caesars Entertainment subsidiary1 and some related business units have filed for reorganization under Chapter 11. The reorganization is part of our efforts to ensure our long-term success and our ability to deliver world-class entertainment to you for many years to come.
We want to assure you that Total Rewards®remains the same, and we are here to stay.
As you are one of our most valuable guests, the following are a few important details that we want to make sure you are aware of as you visit our resorts and casinos:
Business as usual at all Total Rewards resorts and casinos
We are open for business and will continue to operate as usual
Total Rewards remains the same
You will continue to receive offers and comps from your favorite resorts and casinos
Your Reward Credit balance remains in place
The Tier Status you have earned for 2015 stays in place
You will continue to earn Tier Credits and Reward Credits for all of your activity
Daily Tier Credit Bonuses will remain the same through 2015
Your hotel and event reservations are secure
Our employees are here to serve you
Plus, heres the really exciting news! We would like to take this opportunity to give you MORE!
Through March 31st, 2015, we are giving you a 50% bonus on the first 50,000 Tier Credits you earn! So, you could walk away with up to 25,000 EXTRA Tier Credits to count towards your Tier Status, and we even started counting on January 1st.*
Thank you for your continued loyalty. We will keep doing everything we can to offer you the best casino loyalty program.
See you soon!
Michael J. Marino
Vice President of Total Rewards
*Member must earn at least 1,000 Tier Credits by March 31, 2015 to be eligible for the promotion. 50% Tier Credit Bonus will be awarded on up to the first 50,000 Tier Credits earned from January 1, 2015 through March 31, 2015, for a maximum total bonus of 25,000 Tier Credits. Daily Tier Credit Bonuses will count toward the 50,000 Tier Credits maximum. Loyalty bonuses are not earned Tier Credits and thus, are not eligible for this promotion. Tier Credit Bonuses, including this promotion, do not count toward Reward Credit balance, promotional Tier Credit earnings, or qualifying for another daily bonus. Total Tier Credit Bonus amount awarded through this promotion will be calculated after March 31st, 2015 and will be posted to the Total Rewards account on April 15, 2015.
Some enjoy that so for them its a plus.
Quote: AxelWolfI bet they will in turn cut back on free play offers. they just make it look better but it won't be as good as it seems. Sure people will gain status faster, however I don't care if im 14 stars.
Some enjoy that so for them its a plus.
My free plays went up this month... I also got that e-mail.
Quote: AxelWolfI bet they will in turn cut back on free play offers. They just make it look/sound better, but it won't be as good as it seems. Sure people will gain status faster, however I don't care if im 14 stars.
Some enjoy that so for them its a plus.
At this rate I have a chance at being platinum!!
Quote: mcallister3200The wording makes it seem like it won't add anything extra if you already play to the daily bonuses at 2500 and 5000 tc as those contribute towards the total bonus and are more than a 50% bonus.
Helps people like my g/f's dad though. He made platinum last year while probably not earning any tier bonuses. Maybe he earned 125 extra a few times. But they have devalued platinum so much, it's not like that's important anyway. It will also help those that play frequently but not a lot each time to possibly make diamond. Fwiw, I didn't get this email yet.
Quote: GWAEI wonder if this applies to everyone or is it invite only?
I got one as well, and the last time I stayed at a Caesar's hotel was in 2013 (I do put about $600/month on my TR Visa card, however, at a rate of 1 reward credit (not tier credit) per $1 spent), so I assume that everyone got this.
Last year I had two LV trips where I stayed at one of their properties. The prior year I had three trips where I stayed there, and another where I stayed elsewhere but played there, plus at least one AC trip.
I have two trips to Vegas scheduled WITH reservations at Rio and Harrah's.
OK, I'm just a lowly Gold, but where's my damn email?!?!?!?
Quote: DJTeddyBearI'm bummed out.
Last year I had two LV trips where I stayed at one of their properties. The prior year I had three trips where I stayed there, and another where I stayed elsewhere but played there, plus at least one AC trip.
I have two trips to Vegas scheduled WITH reservations at Rio and Harrah's.
OK, I'm just a lowly Gold, but where's my damn email?!?!?!?
Yeah the way it reads, it should apply to everyone...but....I havent got an email either as a Gold.
As a former Diamond but now a peasant Gold, I'd expect to get one that begins "Dear Flea, if you feel you must visit..."Quote:As you are one of our most valuable guests,...
The way I read the email, it seems like you get the regular DIAD shit (+10K for 5K, +5K for 2.5K, etc.), but only get an extra 50% bonus on what you earned (ie: you do DIAD for 5K TC, get 10K the next day, then a 50% bonus [2.5k] on April 15'th).
Quote:Daily Tier Credit Bonuses will remain the same through 2015
The irony is that Caesars wants us to think we can trust their word so we keep gambling to keep their lights on while at the same time they are trying to screw over companies who invested money into keeping their lights on!!!!!!
Quote: tringlomaneYeah the way it reads, it should apply to everyone...but....I havent got an email either as a Gold.
Meanwhile, I just got a second one (although I am currently Platinum)...
Quote: Sabretom2There is simply no reason to gamble in a Ceasars property, bonus or not. Name the game, there are dozens of better houses.
But some of us go to Caesars properties for more than just the gambling. Combine smart gambling with the comps and offers such as shows and restaurants (with comped meals or just meals that you enjoy) and we might choose to Caesars for the entertainment value.
Quote: AlanMendelsonBut some of us go to Caesars properties for more than just the gambling. Combine smart gambling with the comps and offers such as shows and restaurants (with comped meals or just meals that you enjoy) and we might choose to Caesars for the entertainment value.
And the free room offers for someone who is a low limit gambler. I may come back end of March as I can get two free nights at the Rio again....
Quote: AlanMendelsonBut some of us go to Caesars properties for more than just the gambling. Combine smart gambling with the comps and offers such as shows and restaurants (with comped meals or just meals that you enjoy) and we might choose to Caesars for the entertainment value.
And I believe you are mostly a Craps and FP VP player, so it is hard to beat what Caesars gives you I am assuming.
Quote: BozAnd I believe you are mostly a Craps and FP VP player, so it is hard to beat what Caesars gives you I am assuming.
This might surprise you but I reached Seven Stars playing full pay video poker at Rincon and earning comps and reward credits to use in Vegas. Overall my play in Vegas is probably less than 10 percent of what I do at Rincon.
Quote: Sabretom2There is simply no reason to gamble in a Ceasars property, bonus or not. Name the game, there are dozens of better houses.
There is a scattering of 9/6 JoB $1 VP at CET.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThis might surprise you but I reached Seven Stars playing full pay video poker at Rincon and earning comps and reward credits to use in Vegas. Overall my play in Vegas is probably less than 10 percent of what I do at Rincon.
I go to Rincon twice a year as I like San Diego, but the funny thing is that even though I stay for 3 nights at a time and play the slots every day, I still don't receive any offers from them. With the new tower (staying in a comp. suite in the new tower was nice) and entertainment venue and upgraded pool, they are as nice as some LV Resorts. One of the big benefits of CET for me is that they are spread out across the country.
Quote: RS
The way I read the email, it seems like you get the regular DIAD shit (+10K for 5K, +5K for 2.5K, etc.), but only get an extra 50% bonus on what you earned (ie: you do DIAD for 5K TC, get 10K the next day, then a 50% bonus [2.5k] on April 15'th).
Leave it to Caesars to be unclear. So does the daily Tier bonus earn an additional 50%, does only your base play and not the daily tier bonus get the 50%, or does the 1K, 2.5K and 5K play levels keep you from the 50% entirely (since the daily Tier bonus is already more than 50%)? Also what the heck is a "Loyalty bonus"?
For the record, the offer was posted to Facebook, so it shouldn't be an invite only - but I didn't get an email either and I'm 7 star flea.
Quote: JohnnyQThere is a scattering of 9/6 JoB $1 VP at CET.
Not in Vegas. Nor at Rincon. If you know differently please post specific info. Thanks.
Quote: AlanMendelsonNot in Vegas. Nor at Rincon. If you know differently please post specific info. Thanks.
At Horseshoe Cleveland. Why there, and not at most other CET properties, I do not know.
However, there is an unfortunate part of the fine print which implies that this isn't a very helpful promo to people who earn a lot of tier bonuses anyway.
It seems that, on April 15th, they first look at how many daily tier bonuses you've earned (such as when you get 5000 bonus tiers for making 2500 points). If the total bonus tiers you earned from January 1-March 31 exceed 25,000, you don't get any additional bonus tiers on this offer. And if it's close 25,000 (say, 24,000), then you only get the difference -- 1,000 tiers in this case.
I could be wrong, as their e-mail is horribly unclear, but that's the way I read it.
You DEFINITELY don't earn bonuses on the bonuses. So if you play 1 day for 5,000 TC, earn a 10,000 bonus, you will earn another 2,500 TC on April 15 on your base 5,000 earning. But as I said, you probably won't get that if you've already earned a lot of bonus tiers by that point.
Quote: DanDruff
You DEFINITELY don't earn bonuses on the bonuses. So if you play 1 day for 5,000 TC, earn a 10,000 bonus, you will earn another 2,500 TC on April 15 on your base 5,000 earning. But as I said, you probably won't get that if you've already earned a lot of bonus tiers by that point.
Yes I think you do get bonus on the bonus. Under you example you will have 15,000 TC on March 31, 2015 and then you will get another 7,500 TC. This is from the offer "Daily tier credit bonuses will count toward the 50,000 tier credits maximum." I will agree with you that e-mail was unclear and could have used some examples.
Quote: zoobrewYes I think you do get bonus on the bonus. Under you example you will have 15,000 TC on March 31, 2015 and then you will get another 7,500 TC. This is from the offer "Daily tier credit bonuses will count toward the 50,000 tier credits maximum." I will agree with you that e-mail was unclear and could have used some examples.
I agree with Dan. I take that to mean that any bonus you receive counts against the max bonus and not that you earn bonus on top of bonus.
This is a great promotion. My jaw actually dropped when they told us. A good way to think of this is what we are providing since some offers dates will be restricted where previously they weren't. The BEST PART is, that the existing tier credit bonus, i.e. 5k if you hit 2.5k, or 10k if you hit 5k, COUNT as earned TC's. As a result and one good example, one only needs to earn 125k earned credits to make seven star this first quarter. the 25k is covered by the .5 TC bonus on the first 50k earned TC's.
Great opportunity for folks to reach a tier status they normally wouldn't be able to reach and enjoy those benefits for their loyalty. I am very excited about it.
How much will it cost you in EV?Quote: kankan53This is from a CET host at Planet Hollywood about the tier bonus credits His name is Hunter and this was posted on Slot Fanatics:
This is a great promotion. My jaw actually dropped when they told us. A good way to think of this is what we are providing since some offers dates will be restricted where previously they weren't. The BEST PART is, that the existing tier credit bonus, i.e. 5k if you hit 2.5k, or 10k if you hit 5k, COUNT as earned TC's. As a result and one good example, one only needs to earn 125k earned credits to make seven star this first quarter. the 25k is covered by the .5 TC bonus on the first 50k earned TC's.
Great opportunity for folks to reach a tier status they normally wouldn't be able to reach and enjoy those benefits for their loyalty. I am very excited about it.
Just curious why people get very excited. Unless I'm playing +EV and upgrade my status I can't imagine getting excited losing money.
Details please?Quote: sabreMine literally fell by a factor of 10.
I'm interested in knowing if anyone here, someone who has played regularly for ay approximately the same coin in(significant amounts), someone who keeps records, has seen a decline?
In other words, if people are seeing changes in their offers, these are the result of decisions from middle of November to early December and have very little to do with the recent bankruptcy of two weeks ago.
My daughters offers went significantly down however my son-in-laws went significantly up for February. I know they play differently and on different schedules so obviously their play affected changes, not the bankruptcy
Someone with some logic.Quote: darkozI do keep records and can tell you that CET offers are 2 1/2 months behind current.
In other words, if people are seeing changes in their offers, these are the result of decisions from middle of November to early December and have very little to do with the recent bankruptcy of two weeks ago.
My daughters offers went significantly down however my son-in-laws went significantly up for February. I know they play differently and on different schedules so obviously their play affected changes, not the bankruptcy
Quote: darkozI do keep records and can tell you that CET offers are 2 1/2 months behind current.
In other words, if people are seeing changes in their offers, these are the result of decisions from middle of November to early December and have very little to do with the recent bankruptcy of two weeks ago.
My daughters offers went significantly down however my son-in-laws went significantly up for February. I know they play differently and on different schedules so obviously their play affected changes, not the bankruptcy
I played at some different new properties (new for me) in Nov and Dec. And so has someone else I know. It looks like the 2-2.5 month delay this is true....unless that is normal for those properties.
The first month after you play you will see some Market offers (In AC for example, generic offers for free-play you can use at Caesars or Harrahs or Bally's regardless) then 2-2.5 months after your play you will see offers for the specific casino that you played in.
The market offers are based on AMT (Average Market Theoretical) while each casino has an ADT they use for themselves. The ADT for each is probably calculated similarly but I can't attest to that.
This is probably what is throwing a lot of people off.
Quote: darkozI do keep records and can tell you that CET offers are 2 1/2 months behind current.
In other words, if people are seeing changes in their offers, these are the result of decisions from middle of November to early December and have very little to do with the recent bankruptcy of two weeks ago.
My daughters offers went significantly down however my son-in-laws went significantly up for February. I know they play differently and on different schedules so obviously their play affected changes, not the bankruptcy
I agree with the time frame, but not that the bankruptcy had little to do with it. I don't think the bankruptcy was a surprise move by management, and there must have been months of internal preparation before filing and notification, let alone the restructuring moves they made last year. Also there were rumors for months before they finally pulled the trigger. It would also make a lot of sense for CET to have examined their marketing and instituted austerity measures before they filed, though IMO that's the time to attract more business with better offers, not cut back. But what do I know, really? lol...
Quote: darkozYes, that is normal for CET properties. 2-2.5 months for any play you do to reflect offers.
The first month after you play you will see some Market offers (In AC for example, generic offers for free-play you can use at Caesars or Harrahs or Bally's regardless) then 2-2.5 months after your play you will see offers for the specific casino that you played in.
The market offers are based on AMT (Average Market Theoretical) while each casino has an ADT they use for themselves. The ADT for each is probably calculated similarly but I can't attest to that.
This is probably what is throwing a lot of people off.
I'm a flea.. 75tc to get $10 bounce back freeplay.
but in dec I got $10 weekly freeplay offer (in addition to the $10 bounce back).
then in jan that was reduced to $5 weekly.
nothing for Feb. :(
still doing 75tc for $10 bounce back.
Quote: 100xOddsI'm a flea.. 75tc to get $10 bounce back freeplay.
but in dec I got $10 weekly freeplay offer.
then in jan that was reduced to $5 weekly.
nothing for Feb. :(
still doing 75tc for $10 bounce back.
Need more details.
Did you take the $10 free-play in December? Every week or just once? Did you earn 75 tc each time? Was it once a week or twice a week?
What it might be is an alteration of whatever software they use to generate FP so that the methodology you are used to of playing and seeing offers will now be different.
FP is usually not something I would see them cutting back on since that is not really profitable for most people. The casino gets it back plus the extra gambling people put in monetarily. If anything was to be cut back, it would more likely be the cruises on Norwegian or gift and point giveaways. FP gets people actually in play.
Quote: zoobrewMy idea of how FP works is that there is a set pool of FP money, that doesn't change a lot from month to month. How much of that pool you get does, its not like if you spend X you will automatically get Y, if that was the case the casino would have no budget control. Instead you are competing with other gamblers for your amount of the pool, so if you gambled the same amount of money, but other gamblers increased their amounts by 10% your amount of FP will decrease. Also the amount of variable monthly FP available could change if there are separate marketing programs (local or regional) that use part of the pool of FP money.
That is patently and 100% wrong.
In that case, when Lebron James goes gambling and wagers a million bucks in a weekend, everyone else will have their offers sucked dry for the following month.
Trust me, that is absolutely not the way it works.
Quote: zoobrewthere is a set pool of FP money, that doesn't change a lot from month to month. How much of that pool you get does, its not like if you spend X you will automatically get Y, if that was the case the casino would have no budget control.
This is entirely contrary with every structure I've seen (although I have no experience with CET).
Realistically, they give you some of your theo back as FP. The more total action they get, the more they can afford to give back.
Quote: darkozThat is patently and 100% wrong.
In that case, when Lebron James goes gambling and wagers a million bucks in a weekend, everyone else will have their offers sucked dry for the following month.
Trust me, that is absolutely not the way it works.
I agree with you, but not for the reason you gave. How much coin in do you think a casino gets in a single day? Per month? One big player wouldn't kill everyone else's offers IF that's how it ran. If that's how it was, Lebron's play would drop most players by like 1%, maybe.
The freeplay isn't actually money, and for most patrons, is -EV because of how much they'll gamble. Giving away $200,000 cash in a promotion is different than giving out $200,000 in freeplay a month.
Quote: RSI agree with you, but not for the reason you gave. How much coin in do you think a casino gets in a single day? Per month? One big player wouldn't kill everyone else's offers IF that's how it ran. If that's how it was, Lebron's play would drop most players by like 1%, maybe.
The freeplay isn't actually money, and for most patrons, is -EV because of how much they'll gamble. Giving away $200,000 cash in a promotion is different than giving out $200,000 in freeplay a month.
Yea, I was just trying to give an exaggerated example. I agree.
Quote: zoobrewYes I think you do get bonus on the bonus. Under you example you will have 15,000 TC on March 31, 2015 and then you will get another 7,500 TC. This is from the offer "Daily tier credit bonuses will count toward the 50,000 tier credits maximum." I will agree with you that e-mail was unclear and could have used some examples.
I think Zoobrew is correct.
Details are finally posted on the Total Rewards site, here, with the key items being:
5. All Total Rewards members who earn at least 1,000 Tier Credits during the Offer Period will receive 50%
bonus on their Tier Credits earned up to 25,000 bonus Tier Credits.
6. 50% bonus will be determined based on the members 2015 Tier Score at the end of the promotional day
on March 31, 2015
7. Daily Tier Credit Bonuses will be included in the total Tier Score since they are added to the members Tier
Score daily and therefore are considered a part of the total Tier Score.
This still may not be 100.0 % clear, but it sounds like a daily tier credit bonus WILL also get a 50 % bonus "on or about April 15, 2015".
I thought I had this all planned out, but the more I read the more it seems to confuse me lol.
