davidearl
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February 4th, 2011 at 1:27:59 PM permalink
Quote: saginaw10

Right now i play 9/6 jacks or better for multiple reasons one is because soaring eagle doesnt have full pay anyting else that i can see except for jack or better and secondly because it has the least variance of any video poker game except pick 'em poker and lastly its half life or simply put your chances of losing yoru entire bankroll within a short period of time aka the 3 or 4 hours your playing is less than the other video poker games probably due to the low variance but either way for a guy who brings in a small amount of cash just looking to have fun...right now i play jacks or better because within that game my money plays alittle longer than most video poker games.....if you disclude getting lucky right off the bat with a 4 A's w/2 kicker on ddb or 4 deuces on DW.....and just stick to the pay out table from jacks or better with your hand of jacks or better paying you back your bet compared to 3 of kind pays you back your bet for DW and two pair pays you back even money for DDB..........

so i guess my next question would be is WHY DOES DW AND/OR DDB WITH FULL PAY HAVE EV OF OVER 100% and JACKS OR BETTER IS ONLY AT 99.5%?

odiousgambit
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February 4th, 2011 at 1:32:05 PM permalink
Quote: davidearl

so i guess my next question would be is WHY DOES DW AND/OR DDB WITH FULL PAY HAVE EV OF OVER 100% and JACKS OR BETTER IS ONLY AT 99.5%?



I think the variance is less with J.o.B. so the trade off might be worth it to players who arent trying to be advantage players anyway
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davidearl
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February 4th, 2011 at 1:57:34 PM permalink
At the Soaring Eagle at the west end of the casino there is a bank of 12 Game King Video Poker machines. It's right next to a beverage station. These are Certified Hot, meaning they pay the manufacturer's best payouts for those games. Some of the games are not full pay, so I guess that means Game King doesn't make a full pay on those games anymore.

For instance, DDB is 10/6 instead of 10/7, for a 100.07% payout, the only one that pays over 100%. JOB is 9/6. BP is 35/8/5 for 99.66%. They pay 35 coins for a quad instead of 80/40/25. DB is 9/7/99.11%. DW is 25/15/99.96%. WHA is 9/5/99.24%.

Only one game had the Certified Hot sign, but I checked three machines and they all paid the same. People were on the other machines that I didn't check. These machines were .25/.50/1.00 .

I'm from Saginaw too.
dm
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February 4th, 2011 at 3:36:58 PM permalink
Quote: saginaw10

Right now i play 9/6 jacks or better for multiple reasons one is because soaring eagle doesnt have full pay anyting else that i can see except for jack or better and secondly because it has the least variance of any video poker game except pick 'em poker and lastly its half life or simply put your chances of losing yoru entire bankroll within a short period of time aka the 3 or 4 hours your playing is less than the other video poker games probably due to the low variance but either way for a guy who brings in a small amount of cash just looking to have fun...right now i play jacks or better because within that game my money plays alittle longer than most video poker games.....if you disclude getting lucky right off the bat with a 4 A's w/2 kicker on ddb or 4 deuces on DW.....and just stick to the pay out table from jacks or better with your hand of jacks or better paying you back your bet compared to 3 of kind pays you back your bet for DW and two pair pays you back even money for DDB..........

so i guess my next question would be is WHY DOES DW AND/OR DDB WITH FULL PAY HAVE EV OF OVER 100% and JACKS OR BETTER IS ONLY AT 99.5%?




I wonder the same thing and have no answer. Maybe they started with a pay table that they had not accurately computed to be beatable, and just kept it because not many played well enough to hurt them.
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February 4th, 2011 at 3:40:01 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Yes, it matters. And those statistics come into play way more than you'd think. Say you're playing $1 double bonus VP ($5/hand). The only difference between the version with the 100.175% return and the game with the 99.1% is that full houses pay 10 in one game and 9 in the other. The rest of the paytable is identical. You'll get a full house about once in every 90 hands, which is hardly a long-term period in video poker. And for every full house that you hit, you get $5 more for playing the game with the higher EV.



That is actually a great and yet simple answer that those guys will still not agree with.
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February 4th, 2011 at 4:00:23 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Think of EV as a place where the average of your results will lie. Would you rather your results averaged 100.5%, or 99.5%?

100.5%, but this figure is the "average of your results" and if the first few sessions are high enough, I'll walk away a winner and not weight for succeeding sessions to exert their deadly influence.
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February 4th, 2011 at 6:04:43 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

100.5%, but this figure is the "average of your results" and if the first few sessions are high enough, I'll walk away a winner and not weight for succeeding sessions to exert their deadly influence.



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February 4th, 2011 at 10:34:17 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

That kind of thinking is only valid if you will never gamble again in your life.


You can always drink triple after a big losing session. With luck, you'll forget it ever happened.

Alternately, if you believe in reincarnation, go deep in debt, and should that fail, take another shot.
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kazko96
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March 29th, 2011 at 9:34:40 AM permalink
sorry I am little out of this topic but I think that you can help.


I would like to understand the trick with 134459 starting hands on this page:


I wonder if it is important to generate starting hands in the same order as Wizard, for example he generates
Five Unique Ranks
2 1 1 1 1 4

and I :
Five Unique Ranks
1 1 1 1 2 4
they are same hands acording to poker value but,can it cause problems by indexing cards? for example here
int HandIndex3(int c1, int c2, int c3)
{
int r;
r=combin_array[52][3]-combin_array[52-c1][3];
r+=combin_array[51-c1][2]-combin_array[52-c2][2];
r+=combin_array[51-c2][1]-combin_array[52-c3][1];
return r;
}



And second question:

I am not sure if I understand this sentence: "Put the score in array0. Put the first hand in element 0 of the array, and increment by 1 for each hand."

I understand it as follows: for first hand I do
array0[0][0]++;
array0[0][1]++;
...
array0[0][16]++;

for second hand I do
array0[1][0]++;
array0[1][1]++;
...
array0[1][16]++;

and so on...
Is this right??

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