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March 11th, 2020 at 5:38:13 AM
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First time poster. I wanted to come on here to tell you all about my winning betting system to take down the house playing video Poker!!!

Just kidding. I actually want to see if anyone has a resource for a comprehensive list of variance for various VP games? I know WizardofOdds has them for many of the common games, but I've been struggling to find them for many of the VP variants (i.e. Multistrike, Super Times, Ultimate X multi line, etc). Anyone have some insight on this? Thanks!

Just kidding. I actually want to see if anyone has a resource for a comprehensive list of variance for various VP games? I know WizardofOdds has them for many of the common games, but I've been struggling to find them for many of the VP variants (i.e. Multistrike, Super Times, Ultimate X multi line, etc). Anyone have some insight on this? Thanks!

March 11th, 2020 at 7:06:28 AM
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Great first post. Welcome.

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.

March 11th, 2020 at 7:35:32 AM
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I list a bunch of them in my House Edge of Casino Games Compared. Of course, just square the standard deviation to get the variance.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

March 11th, 2020 at 8:29:38 AM
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from the top of my head (all are approx):Quote:handsNftRmangosFirst time poster.

I actually want to see if anyone has a resource for a comprehensive list of variance for various VP games? I know WizardofOdds has them for many of the common games, but I've been struggling to find them for many of the VP variants (i.e. Multistrike, Super Times, Ultimate X multi line, etc). Anyone have some insight on this? Thanks!

JoB and BP: var= 20

Deuces Wild: 25

Double bonus: 30

ddb: 44

tdb: 90

multi-strike (9/6 JoB): 300

multi-strike 16x: ???

Ult X: dont know since i only +EV it, i never bothered looking up it's variance

stp and dstp: i forgot :(

Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)

March 11th, 2020 at 6:57:43 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the quick responses, and especially to the Wizard, your WizardofOdds website has been essential for really learning and understanding VP (and gambling/casino games in general).

RE: the variance of Multi-strike 9/6 JoB as listed above, Ive seen it posted on a forum somewhere else that its around 300, is that for the "regular" single 4 line stack multi-strike or for Multi-Strike Trio or some other multiple strike variant involving multiple hands? 300, or 308 which I've seen posted elsewhere, seems crazy high.

I have seen Ultimate X Single Line variance calculated to be 32.59 (think that was actually posted by the Wizard on this message board at some point). Haven't come across the multi-line variances of Ultimate X though.

RE: the variance of Multi-strike 9/6 JoB as listed above, Ive seen it posted on a forum somewhere else that its around 300, is that for the "regular" single 4 line stack multi-strike or for Multi-Strike Trio or some other multiple strike variant involving multiple hands? 300, or 308 which I've seen posted elsewhere, seems crazy high.

I have seen Ultimate X Single Line variance calculated to be 32.59 (think that was actually posted by the Wizard on this message board at some point). Haven't come across the multi-line variances of Ultimate X though.

March 12th, 2020 at 4:26:30 AM
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Multiline Ultimate X variances are very hard to compute.

March 12th, 2020 at 5:08:12 AM
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Quote:GaryJKoehlerMultiline Ultimate X variances are very hard to compute.

And if YOU of all people say it's hard, I don't expect anyone to calculate it.

March 18th, 2020 at 8:33:53 AM
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So if Ultimate X Single Hand has a variance of around 33, that's actually pretty "conservative" for a multiplier game with a chance at a 48,000 credit single hand payout. Seems like most game with multipliers or other chances at higher "jackpot" hands have much higher variances (which of course statistically makes sense).

Do anyone know of any other relatively low variance (say <50) VP games with multiplier bonuses or other ways of hitting higher "jackpot" hands?

Do anyone know of any other relatively low variance (say <50) VP games with multiplier bonuses or other ways of hitting higher "jackpot" hands?