Question - Daily Average
Does anyone have an idea why this is such a guarded secret?
thanks
Quote: bobbartopRecently I asked my host at what time does their "new day" turn over. They said that that is a guarded secret of the casino. I still don't understand what the big deal is, but they weren't going to tell me no matter what. They're usually pretty open and generous with me if I ask them a question of any kind, but not about when the new day starts. It was like I was asking them for the secret code to open Fort Knox. No way, they ain't saying.
Does anyone have an idea why this is such a guarded secret?
thanks
its not at all. Your host is probably just an idiot. Ask at the rewards desk, they will tell you.
Although not always an indicator if they consistently say the freeplay offers are good till 5am or 6am the following morning, thats the beginning of their new day.
Quote: GWAEits not at all. Your host is probably just an idiot. Ask at the rewards desk, they will tell you.
That is completely wrong. No casino employee is ever supposed to tell a customer when the gaming days starts/ends. It's one of the major topics of every Title 31 class that ever gaming employee attends every year. Any employee who gives this infor.ation to a customer is risking their job.
ZCore13
Quote: darkozIts often in their brochure or written material.
Although not always an indicator if they consistently say the freeplay offers are good till 5am or 6am the following morning, thats the beginning of their new day.
Never. No brochure or public documents will have the gaming day divulged.
ZCore13
The casino won't tell you because Title 31 says so.
I know when our gaming day is but I am not allowed to tell you.
Quote: Zcore13That is completely wrong. No casino employee is ever supposed to tell a customer when the gaming days starts/ends. It's one of the major topics of every Title 31 class that ever gaming employee attends every year. Any employee who gives this infor.ation to a customer is risking their job.
ZCore13
what bearing would title 31 have on a gaming day. It should be based on the calender day not their arbitrary gaming day
Quote: Zcore13That is completely wrong. No casino employee is ever supposed to tell a customer when the gaming days starts/ends. It's one of the major topics of every Title 31 class that ever gaming employee attends every year. Any employee who gives this infor.ation to a customer is risking their job.
ZCore13
First off, thank you everyone who replied. And so quickly too. Even the people that were wrong, thanks to you too.
So ZCore13, can you tell me, or speculate, as to why it is so significant? I can't really figure out a clue as to why it's information that they desperately don't want a player to have.
By the way, one poster thought my host might be "an idiot". That's not the case at all. I have a host but have often spoken with other hosts at the same time. None of them are "idiots". They're all very knowledgeable and as helpful as can be. They're very nice people. Very nice people.
Quote: GWAEwhat bearing would title 31 have on a gaming day. It should be based on the calender day not their arbitrary gaming day
I'll pass your directive off to the Finsncial Crimes Enforcement Network people at the IRS next time I have the chance.
ZCore13
Quote: bobbartopFirst off, thank you everyone who replied. And so quickly too. Even the people that were wrong, thanks to you too.
So ZCore13, can you tell me, or speculate, as to why it is so significant? I can't really figure out a clue as to why it's information that they desperately don't want a player to have.
By the way, one poster thought my host might be "an idiot". That's not the case at all. I have a host but have often spoken with other hosts at the same time. None of them are "idiots". They're all very knowledgeable and as helpful as can be. They're very nice people. Very nice people.
Google Title 31 for casinos and you'll have plenty of stuff to read and learn. It's a major tool against money laundering and funding terrorism.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I'll pass your directive off to the Finsncial Crimes Enforcement Network people at the IRS next time I have the chance.
ZCore13
appreciate the condescending comment to a basic question. Get off your high horse
Quote: Zcore13Google Title 31 for casinos and you'll have plenty of stuff to read and learn. It's a major tool against money laundering and funding terrorism.
ZCore13
Wow. See? I never would have come up with that by myself. Ok, I will take your advice and google said title. Thank you so much.
Quote: MaxPenJust tell them, "Fine I'll just go down the road to "x" casino that starts at 3am and play there". They'll most likely tell me you then.
Hi Max. Remember, I'm not lucky enough to live in Mecca like some of you guys. I'm in California. Sometimes the road to Casino X is a long way down the hiway, and up in the hills.
Quote: bobbartopFirst off, thank you everyone who replied. And so quickly too. Even the people that were wrong, thanks to you too.
So ZCore13, can you tell me, or speculate, as to why it is so significant? I can't really figure out a clue as to why it's information that they desperately don't want a player to have.
By the way, one poster thought my host might be "an idiot". That's not the case at all. I have a host but have often spoken with other hosts at the same time. None of them are "idiots". They're all very knowledgeable and as helpful as can be. They're very nice people. Very nice people.
the reason that I answered the way that I did is because every single casino that I have ever asked will tell you their "Promotional day". Even CET website says Tier Credits earned are based on a single promotional day's activity. Promotional days vary by location. Check with a Caesars Rewards Center for details.
So I guess they are calling it a promotional day and not a gaming day and I have always assumed they are the same. If your ADT is based on a gaming day and not on a promotional day then that is pretty crappy.
Quote: GWAEthe reason that I answered the way that I did is because every single casino that I have ever asked will tell you their "Promotional day". Even CET website says Tier Credits earned are based on a single promotional day's activity. Promotional days vary by location. Check with a Caesars Rewards Center for details.
So I guess they are calling it a promotional day and not a gaming day and I have always assumed they are the same. If your ADT is based on a gaming day and not on a promotional day then that is pretty crappy.
Confusing to a layman like me. But thank you.
I'm in my senior years now and I have never wanted to be on the "other side of the table", not even in my younger years. I always wanted to be a "player". Maybe I should have taken a job when I was a "kid". Oh well, too late now.
HERE IS A LINK TO THE GOLDEN NUGGET IN ATLANTIC CITY. JUST ONE CASINO I CAN LINK TO THAT EXPLICITLY STATES THE GAMING DAY START AND END.
https://www.goldennugget.com/atlantic-city/casino/promotions-events/bingo-bonanza/
HERE IT IS FOR THOSE KNOW IT ALLS TOO LAZY TO CLICK. I CAPITALIZED THE SPECIFIC LINES IN THE TEXT SO U CAN SEE IT EASIER
from GN website
Bingo Bonanza
EVERY MONDAY IN AUGUST & MONDAYS, SEPTEMBER 2, 9, 16 & 23
2 pm & 7 pm | The Grand
Free entry for all Chairman and Elite cardholders.24 Karat and Premier cardholders must earn 20 Base Tier Credits on the day of the event to enter. Eight bingo games per session. $5,000 Cash awarded each session.Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-Gambler.
See 24K Select Club for complete details. All state and government taxes are the sole responsibility of the winning participants. A GAMING DAY IS FROM 6:00AM-5:59AM. Management reserves all rights to change or cancel at any time. Must be 21 or older, have a valid ID and 24K Select card. Must not be on any exclusionary lists.
OK GUYS
SO DARK OZ DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT LMFAO
I SUPPOSE GOLDEN NUGGET IN AC IS OPENLY ON THEIR WEBSITE VIOLATING TITLE 31.
Bet I can find dozens of these PRINTED gaming day stsrt and ends. I have seen them all over.
CHEW ON THAT
SMFH
Quote: GWAEappreciate the condescending comment to a basic question. Get off your high horse
I wasn't commenting on you basic question. I was commenting on your statement of how you think things should be done.
Quote:It should be based on the calender day not their arbitrary gaming day
Playing the victim when you get a sarcastic answer to a dumb comment doesn't fly. You have no experience and no knowledge of the subject obviously, so telling people how things should be is naive.
ZCore13
Quote: darkozFor all the posters on here who just called me BS, I think you need to get ur heads out ur blanks.
HERE IS A LINK TO THE GOLDEN NUGGET IN ATLANTIC CITY. JUST ONE CASINO I CAN LINK TO THAT EXPLICITLY STATES THE GAMING DAY START AND END.
https://www.goldennugget.com/atlantic-city/casino/promotions-events/bingo-bonanza/
HERE IT IS FOR THOSE KNOW IT ALLS TOO LAZY TO CLICK. I CAPITALIZED THE SPECIFIC LINES IN THE TEXT SO U CAN SEE IT EASIER
from GN website
Bingo Bonanza
EVERY MONDAY IN AUGUST & MONDAYS, SEPTEMBER 2, 9, 16 & 23
2 pm & 7 pm | The Grand
Free entry for all Chairman and Elite cardholders.24 Karat and Premier cardholders must earn 20 Base Tier Credits on the day of the event to enter. Eight bingo games per session. $5,000 Cash awarded each session.Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-Gambler.
See 24K Select Club for complete details. All state and government taxes are the sole responsibility of the winning participants. A GAMING DAY IS FROM 6:00AM-5:59AM. Management reserves all rights to change or cancel at any time. Must be 21 or older, have a valid ID and 24K Select card. Must not be on any exclusionary lists.
OK GUYS
SO DARK OZ DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT LMFAO
I SUPPOSE GOLDEN NUGGET IN AC IS OPENLY ON THEIR WEBSITE VIOLATING TITLE 31.
Bet I can find dozens of these PRINTED gaming day stsrt and ends. I have seen them all over.
CHEW ON THAT
SMFH
My guess is, someone in Marketing could get in a lot of trouble there. Marketing people may not have a gaming license and may not have to attend Title 31 classes each year.
I do not know if there is a specific penalty for divulging the gaming day, but it is definitely a no no. Casinos are receiving record breaking fines over the last few years for not adhering to Title 31 guidelines. And not just for purposeful violations. Huge fines are being given out for lack of training, disorganized or poor record keeping, ignorance of requirements and/or proper procedures and lack of interest in following all regulations.
The IRS has gotten the attention of casinos in the last few years to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13My guess is, someone in Marketing could get in a lot of trouble there. Marketing people may not have a gaming license and may not have to attend Title 31 classes each year.
I do not know if there is a specific penalty for divulging the gaming day, but it is definitely a no no. Casinos are receiving record breaking fines over the last few years for not adhering to Title 31 guidelines. And not just for purposeful violations. Huge fines are being given out for lack of training, disorganized or poor record keeping, ignorance of requirements and/or proper procedures and lack of interest in following all regulations.
The IRS has gotten the attention of casinos in the last few years to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
ZCore13
But Zcore
I see in most mailers where freeplay is available start or end of gaming day the verbiage is something like:
"Offers begin at 5am and conclude end of gamjng day at 4:59am"
Even if they dont specifically state the worda gaming day, the availability periods for freeplay is enough that even a ploppie should be able to figure it out.
ALSO there are jurisdictions where casinos are NOT open 24 hours. A casino open 10AM till 6am doesn't even have to put anything in writing to be in violation of title 31? I mean only a complete idiot would assume their gaming day doesn't coincide with them closing at end of business day.
And another one from a different casino
I mean all these casinos are violating title 51?
No one cares? No repercussions?
And I wasnt correct when I said it can be found in most casinos literature?
Quote: ChumpChangeSo are those CTR's based on a gaming day or on a random 24 hour period based on when they started writing you up?
A CTR is based on the gaming day. This is why the casino will not tell you when the gaming day begins, because that would allow people to cash in just under the CTR threshold before the end of the gaming day.
For the sake of the casino, I hope someone typed "gaming day" when they should have typed "promotional day".
Quote: KevinAAA CTR is based on the gaming day. This is why the casino will not tell you when the gaming day begins, because that would allow people to cash in just under the CTR threshold before the end of the gaming day.
For the sake of the casino, I hope someone typed "gaming day" when they should have typed "promotional day".
And yet I have presented a number of published instances where they do divulge gaming day.
Many casinos show on a players card at either the kiosk or the actual slot machine:
Running total of all points earned as well as daily points earned.
DAILY POINTS EARNED???
Let that sink in a moment.
Take your players card out at midnight amd reinsert it. Did the daily points reset? Probably not.
Take it out right after each hour of the night. Lets say it resets at 6am. That is your daily points go from whatever you earned back to zero.
.guess what? THE CASINO HAS NOW DISCLOSED TO THE PLAYER WHEN THE GAMING DAY HAS STARTED.
If this title 31 is to be enforced then casinos must eliminate their daily points disclosure.
Starting to see why the whole title 31, casinos dont disclose that info argument is pointedly ridiculous
BULLS*IT!!Quote: Zcore13Never. No brochure or public documents will have the gaming day divulged.
ZCore13
let's not forget there might be a difference between the actual gaming day when the drop is calculated(or whatever you want to call it) and the gaming day that's actually calculating a player's ADT. (that's all we as players really care about right?)Quote: ChumpChangeIf it's between 2am & 6am, I'll bet it's a gaming day. Every casino is subject to being different with their schedules. So...have a breakfast before 4am, and one after 6am.
The official gaming day might not end until 2am -6 a.m. However, running past 12 midnight while playing could put you into a 2 day trip, thus dropping your ADT in half. And that's really what we want to avoid. Or possibly getting screwed on a loss rebate where you think the gaming day ends at 6 a.m. But the loss rebate gaming day ended at 12 am and now you don't get credit for anything after 12 a.m. that's been lost.
Quote: Zcore13I wasn't commenting on you basic question. I was commenting on your statement of how you think things should be done.
Quote:It should be based on the calender day not their arbitrary gaming day
Playing the victim when you get a sarcastic answer to a dumb comment doesn't fly. You have no experience and no knowledge of the subject obviously, so telling people how things should be is naive.
ZCore13
No one was playing a victim. I had an opinion which I am entitled to have. If a gaming day is 6am that is definitely an arbitrary time in order to make it confusing. Afterall there is a clock for a reason.
Gotta love how you think you know everything about gaming just because you have and do work somewhere. Most of us have played all over the country and dealt first hand with some of these things. You work at an Indian casino, no? Maybe you should only contribute to conversations regarding those casinos or possibly learn to have a conversation instead of making condescending comments.
Quote: darkozHere is another issue:
Many casinos show on a players card at either the kiosk or the actual slot machine:
Running total of all points earned as well as daily points earned.
DAILY POINTS EARNED???
Let that sink in a moment.
Take your players card out at midnight amd reinsert it. Did the daily points reset? Probably not.
Take it out right after each hour of the night. Lets say it resets at 6am. That is your daily points go from whatever you earned back to zero.
.guess what? THE CASINO HAS NOW DISCLOSED TO THE PLAYER WHEN THE GAMING DAY HAS STARTED.
If this title 31 is to be enforced then casinos must eliminate their daily points disclosure.
Starting to see why the whole title 31, casinos dont disclose that info argument is pointedly ridiculous
I read title 31 although quickly. Also read a training manual for a casino, then read FAQ on IRS website. I could have missed it as it was a lot of words. But here is my take.
There is no rule against actually disclosing a gaming day. However all casinos must have AML policies. If a casino has in their policy that they do not disclose it then they must not disclose it.
Quote: AxelWolfBULLS*IT!!
Well, the 2 top AP"s on here are in consensus about this.
So that should say everything
Quote: darkozWell, the 2 top AP"s on here are in consensus about this.
So that should say everything
lol you guys finally found middle ground
Quote: JoemanSeven Stars Insider seems to know that the gaming days for all CET properties begin at 6:00 AM and end at 5:59AM the next day, with some exceptions.
This is a great example of AP's knowing so much more than casino staff, lol.
And why taking advantage is so easy
Quote: darkozQuote: JoemanSeven Stars Insider seems to know that the gaming days for all CET properties begin at 6:00 AM and end at 5:59AM the next day, with some exceptions.
This is a great example of AP's knowing so much more than casino staff, lol.
And why taking advantage is so easy
It's not all that hard to figure out a gaming day if you know what to look for. Employees aren't supposed to help with that knowledge though. And asking an employee could end you up with a Suspicious Activity Report.
ZCore13
Quote: GWAEthe reason that I answered the way that I did is because every single casino that I have ever asked will tell you their "Promotional day". Even CET website says Tier Credits earned are based on a single promotional day's activity. Promotional days vary by location. Check with a Caesars Rewards Center for details.
So I guess they are calling it a promotional day and not a gaming day and I have always assumed they are the same. If your ADT is based on a gaming day and not on a promotional day then that is pretty crappy.
Most casinos have told me their gaming day when asking about point promotions. I teach some Title 31 classes but have never told the employees not to tell guests the time of the Gaming Day. I tell them that if anyone asks when cashing out or buying in, to fill out a Suspicious Activity Incidence Report.
Quote: ChesterDogOne of my friends told us that even discussing some these Title 31 issues is a felony. One of us is a Chinese citizen, and he scoffed at our totalitarian anti-free-speech law.
He is wrong.
Quote: ChesterDogOne of my friends told us that even discussing some these Title 31 issues is a felony. One of us is a Chinese citizen, and he scoffed at our totalitarian anti-free-speech law.
Unfortunately its my experience that most average Americans dont know or understand their own laws.
They make assumptions many unfortunately based on cops and crime shows as if Hollywood ever did reliable research.
"Rain Man" is a perfect example where they state card counting is illegal and many people still repeat that because it made sense to them without doing any research
Quote: darkozHere is another issue:
Many casinos show on a players card at either the kiosk or the actual slot machine:
Running total of all points earned as well as daily points earned.
DAILY POINTS EARNED???
Let that sink in a moment.
Take your players card out at midnight amd reinsert it. Did the daily points reset? Probably not.
Take it out right after each hour of the night. Lets say it resets at 6am. That is your daily points go from whatever you earned back to zero.
.guess what? THE CASINO HAS NOW DISCLOSED TO THE PLAYER WHEN THE GAMING DAY HAS STARTED.
If this title 31 is to be enforced then casinos must eliminate their daily points disclosure.
Starting to see why the whole title 31, casinos dont disclose that info argument is pointedly ridiculous
The daily points time does not have to be the same as the gaming day.
Quote: KevinAAThe daily points time does not have to be the same as the gaming day.
I suppose in theory.
And yet I have never seen where they didnt coincide.
Mind you a large part of my AP career is based on knowledge of this.
Quote: KevinAAThe daily points time does not have to be the same as the gaming day.
It’s too late to try and throw the civilians off course.
Just alert the higher-ups that the closely guarded secret is out.
Quote: darkozI suppose in theory.
And yet I have never seen where they didnt coincide.
Mind you a large part of my AP career is based on knowledge of this.
I believe SugarHouse is an example where free play starts at 7:00a.m., sometimes ends at 11:59.m. and the gaming day runs midnight to midnight. One exception is if you start playing at a machine before midnight and stay on that same machine until after midnight while never removing card and card never timing out.
Rivers is the same thing and the same company owns both, except some Rivers offers are done at ten and others midnight. They also start at 6:00a.m., but I believe the gaming day runs midnight to midnight.
I agree the vast majority of casinos promo day and gaming day are the same, but advise anyone to ask a host if they have a reason the information is important to them,
Quote: Mission146I believe SugarHouse is an example where free play starts at 7:00a.m., sometimes ends at 11:59.m. and the gaming day runs midnight to midnight. One exception is if you start playing at a machine before midnight and stay on that same machine until after midnight while never removing card and card never timing out.
Rivers is the same thing and the same company owns both, except some Rivers offers are done at ten and others midnight. They also start at 6:00a.m., but I believe the gaming day runs midnight to midnight.
I agree the vast majority of casinos promo day and gaming day are the same, but advise anyone to ask a host if they have a reason the information is important to them,
I believe sugarhouse gaming day starts around 5am or 6am. It has been about 3 years since I was there so maybe thats changed but I doubt it.
Freeplay does end at midnight AND kiosks after midnight can no longer be checked for points (which is the only way to check at sugarhouse aside from going online).
All of which sounds like a pretty dastardly way of throwing late night revelers under the bus.
Truthfully I dont know any casino gaming day that coincides with midnight. Most gamblers are just getting into their stride. The casino at least has some heart to position new gaming days at that time the average player is ended their play and headed home
Quote: bobbartopRecently I asked my host at what time does their "new day" turn over. They said that that is a guarded secret of the casino. I still don't understand what the big deal is, but they weren't going to tell me no matter what. They're usually pretty open and generous with me if I ask them a question of any kind, but not about when the new day starts. It was like I was asking them for the secret code to open Fort Knox. No way, they ain't saying.
Does anyone have an idea why this is such a guarded secret?
thanks
I would think it has to deal with Title 31 -- Anti-Money Laundering laws n such.
Quote: RSI would think it has to deal with Title 31 -- Anti-Money Laundering laws n such.
I don't think it is a guarded secret. At most of our casinos it is 3am to 2:59am. Of our 180 or so smaller locations it is usually 3am but some are 2am and some 4am.
Quote: RSI would think it has to deal with Title 31 -- Anti-Money Laundering laws n such.
thanks RS... guess I don't have to read the rest of the thread like you apparently didn't.
Where the promotional gaming day starts and ends is listed on their mailers.
