KevinAA
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January 3rd, 2019 at 6:04:02 PM permalink
I vulture UX at my local casino all the time. But it gets tiring going through game after game after game to find the occasional game with a single 2x multiplier.

So I was wondering -- is it possible to have a player's advantage if I play 10 credits until I get I screen full of multipliers, then drop the bet to 5, take the win, and cash out?
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January 3rd, 2019 at 6:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

I vulture UX at my local casino all the time. But it gets tiring going through game after game after game to find the occasional game with a single 2x multiplier.

So I was wondering -- is it possible to have a player's advantage if I play 10 credits until I get I screen full of multipliers, then drop the bet to 5, take the win, and cash out?

Only if you knew you would get enough multipliers from the 1 play at 10 coins to make up for the bad return. But there is no way of knowing ahead of time so I say no.
TomG
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January 3rd, 2019 at 7:11:06 PM permalink
Yes. Depends on the pay table.
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January 4th, 2019 at 12:40:31 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

I vulture UX at my local casino all the time. But it gets tiring going through game after game after game to find the occasional game with a single 2x multiplier.

So I was wondering -- is it possible to have a player's advantage if I play 10 credits until I get I screen full of multipliers, then drop the bet to 5, take the win, and cash out?

Think of it this way. You are paying double for a game. If you are playing 10 play and you start with no multipliers you are playing a 47% game. In order to make up for that game you need to
Have at least 20x in multipliers combined. So if you play 2 games, 1 at full price and 1 at 5 coins, that 5 coin better have at least 24x in multipliers to barely break even.
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KevinAA
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January 4th, 2019 at 1:41:24 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Think of it this way. You are paying double for a game. If you are playing 10 play and you start with no multipliers you are playing a 47% game. In order to make up for that game you need to
Have at least 20x in multipliers combined. So if you play 2 games, 1 at full price and 1 at 5 coins, that 5 coin better have at least 24x in multipliers to barely break even.

What I was thinking was that, yes, the first hand costs twice as much, but after that, it should be fairly close to 100%. Then when I happen to get a screen full of multipliers (say, 4x or better), then bet 5, win, and cash out. Yes, the last bet could be garbage, but when you have a screen full of 4x multipliers with bet 5, your expected value is just under 4x the bet.

I guess the problem is that it could take too long to reach that point where I get a screen full of multipliers and then the win on bet 5 isn't enough to make up the losses. The question is -- is that just bad luck in a player's advantage, or is it really not a player's advantage to play this game at all starting with bet 10?

I tried this method once on videopoker.com and it worked but I don't have time to do that thousands of times to get enough data and I don't have time to try to simulate this, which of course would be more accurate.

When I look at the games on UX, most of them have a handful of multipliers that were used on the last hand. Clearly most people know how to play this game and make their last hand bet 5. Occasionally I see someone was a dumbass and bet 1 on less than all hands and didn't get to use a multiplier that was sitting on a later hand (presumably kept on playing until not enough money left to bet 5 on all hands).

Then there's a few times where I see a game with no cards displayed at all. How is that possible, to bet on zero hands?

Thanks!
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