Will you double up a royal flush?

Is it a good or bad idea to double up a royal flush?

Quote: BlackjackLover

Is it a good or bad idea to double up a royal flush?

I've played double up feature once playing bonus poker. The machine stated over a certain coin total you were not allowed to double. I think the limit was 2000 coins. So on a royal flush it would not allow the option. I did attempt a double on 400 coin 4 aces.....and lost. That led me to a self imposed rule of never to attempt a double up of a 100 or more coin win. Too depressing when you lose a good hand.

Not unless AP.

Quote: cmlotito

I've played double up feature once playing bonus poker. The machine stated over a certain coin total you were not allowed to double. I think the limit was 2000 coins. So on a royal flush it would not allow the option. I did attempt a double on 400 coin 4 aces.....and lost. That led me to a self imposed rule of never to attempt a double up of a 100 or more coin win. Too depressing when you lose a good hand.

I doubled up regular Quads (250 coins) on $2 9/7 db this year. (or was it last year? I posted about it somewhere on this forum.)

turned $500 into $1000.

that's the last time I ever doubled up.
quit while im ahead.
discipline: lets see how well...

Quote: BlackjackLover

Is it a good or bad idea to double up a royal flush?

Bad idea to double up a Royal Flush. Like the hit song says,"Take the money and run." ;) In other words, don't get greedy.

Quote: BlackjackLover

Is it a good or bad idea to double up a royal flush?

Assuming there is not a good reason to do it. It really depends on how you feel about W2G's and tipping.

Assuming you will tip the same amount either way and don't care about W2G's then it just becomes a personal preference.

I'll assume its a -EV game.

What do you do if you lose the double up? What do you do if you win the double up? Whatever situation gets you to play less hands in your lifetime is the correct answer.

I have doubled up a few Royals. One time the dealer had a king and I pulled the ace on a joker poker game.

At one time, Stations didn't give you a taxable if your original win was not a taxable. They treated it like accumulated credits.

Dont you basically need to be playing. Game with at least a 2% edge to do the double up? Royals are worth 2ish percent and the double up is 50/50 so why have a chance to throw away the rare 2%?

Quote: GWAE

Dont you basically need to be playing. Game with at least a 2% edge to do the double up? Royals are worth 2ish percent and the double up is 50/50 so why have a chance to throw away the rare 2%?

I think the opposite. If you are playing a -EV game and plan to continue playing it is better to double up because there is no house advantage on the double up.

Quote: DRich

I think the opposite. If you are playing a -EV game and plan to continue playing it is better to double up because there is no house advantage on the double up.

I disagree. The player is going to lose the same amount, but with a higher variance, which kills bankrolls. If the bankroll is high enough, go for it.

Quote: CrystalMath

I disagree. The player is going to lose the same amount, but with a higher variance, which kills bankrolls. If the bankroll is high enough, go for it.

Wouldn't your EV be higher by doubling? I compare it to the odds bet in Craps. Your actual losses may be the same but you are betting more at a lower house edge.

Quote: DRich

Wouldn't your EV be higher by doubling? I compare it to the odds bet in Craps. Your actual losses may be the same but you are betting more at a lower house edge.

EV is win/initial bet, which doesn’t change. It seems to be a paradox, because if the rules of the game required you to do 1 double up, then the EV would be exactly the same, but you would have half as many wins that are all twice as large.

Quote: CrystalMath

EV is win/initial bet, which doesn’t change. It seems to be a paradox, because if the rules of the game required you to do 1 double up, then the EV would be exactly the same, but you would have half as many wins that are all twice as large.

I agree but I consider the double up a separate wager since you have the option to take it or not.

Lets assume you are playing a -EV game for entertainment. Lets assume you are going to play for 2 hours regardless of money won or lost. If you are using the double up feature you will get out way less -EV hands.

Quote: DRich

I agree but I consider the double up a separate wager since you have the option to take it or not.

That’s where I see the paradox. If you choose to double up once every time, then you “increase” your EV. If you are forced to double up every time, your EV stays the same.

Quote: AxelWolf

I have doubled up a few Royals. One time the dealer had a king and I pulled the ace on a joker poker game.

That was epic. Did you double up only once that time?

Do you get players club points for doubling?

Quote: BlackjackLover

That was epic. Did you double up only once that time?

Yes I only doubled one time. That was the first time I had ever doubled up a Royal.

It was on the old Sigma machines. The joker poker was +EV as it was some variation of the 6,7,8 2 pair or better. I don't remember the exact pay table anymore.

To be honest, at the time I only doubled up my Royal out of frustration.

Why was I frustrated after hitting a Royal you may ask? I was on Royal drought probably 4 cycles on much higher denominations. I had just got off a progressive play a competitor took down. And now I hit for a lousy 1k.

I only sat down because I wanted talk to a girl I was dating at the time. She was playing and I wanted to watch her play and make sure he was playing the correct strategy(it was a complicated strategy).

Someone asked if I was playing the machine I was sitting at. I didn't want to give my seat so I said, yes, I'm going and I proceeded to play. Within a few hands, I tagged a Royal and hit the yes for double up . I already knew what card I was going to pick(I just pick the same one each time). A few other people were sweating the outcome as I paused. One guy I knew was busting my balls and laughing as I was getting ready to draw. I was fairly certain I was going to lose.

I knew then, and know now, I should not have been frustrated about hitting the Royal as there is no such thing as being due, or wasting Royals etc. However, I am human and have emotions. Anyone that thinks AP's are 100% immune to Losing, well that's just not true for most AP's. I'm sure there are a few, however, I have a feeling they have very few emotions about anything.

Losing the double up wasn't going to affect me or make any significant dent in my BR .

Of course, the rumors got around that I was going around doubling up all my Royals and big hands.
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FinsRule

No you didn't. However, there were a few rare machines that would give you points. There even used to be some rare machines that were messed up and they would earn you points for just feeding in coins and not even playing. You could just feed them in and cash out. IIRC you can just feed coins in the old sigma derby and cash out(I doubt it will earn you any points)

I would love to find a machine that gives points on doubling up. I would double everything until infinity. Sort of feels like a real world version of St Petersburg paradox

I was playing last night and a guy next to me doubled up. I hadn’t even noticed the button was there. I tried it a couple times to see if it earned points but it didn’t so I stopped.

I vaguely remember hearing a show awhile ago and somebody talking about it and saying they do it for jackpots. I believe his reasoning was it was an even bet so he would do it on jackpots so that he gets half the w2g’s and therefore half the tipping and waiting. I’ve noticed this a little lately. Quads on $50 or dealt quads on 10 play JOB pays $1250. I’ve really been trying to cut down on my tipping lately on the teen jackpots. $5 seems too cheap and $20 really adds up. I can see how somebody that doesn’t mind the variance would do it.