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October 11th, 2017 at 8:07:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Was the sale price as discussed or did it go for more?



No comment.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
ncfatcat
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October 11th, 2017 at 8:29:43 AM permalink
Ha Wiz you know gamblers. spend thousands gambling but cry like babies at any charge (eg: resort fees) that cuts into their gambling allowance. I'm glad I caught this thread before I upgraded to IoS 11. I usually wait a few months to let them work the bugs out. I love the app. I'd personally pay for the upgrade as my mind is not as sharp as it used to be. and I'm not running Ios 10 forever LOL.
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mamat
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October 11th, 2017 at 7:52:23 PM permalink
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Let me ask the forum this. As a preface, it would take me about five years to recoup my investment if I paid to redo WizPoker, assuming the same price of $10. However, I'm afraid everybody who had the old version will hold out his hand and ask me to reimburse him for the cost of the update. Even if I gave a discount to people who had the first version, which there is almost no way to verify, it would stretch out the break-even point to where it isn't profitable for me to re-release it.

That said, will I look like a cheap bastard if I refuse to give reimbursements or discounts to existing users or will the public understand the situation I'm in and pay for the new version. It's only $10, for crying out loud.

This is a very tricky issue.

I started buying software for the Mac in the 1980s. Even though I agree with the "If I buy program X, it should keep working for life.", that's not the way it works ... for cost reasons.

(1) Microsoft Office for Mac - Only thing I use these days is the spreadsheet. Purchased three times - Original, Office v.X, Office 2011. The upgrade fee was so high, buying a newer version was cheaper.

I think I got a recent message that "Office for Mac 2011" for will no longer be supported.

Unsure about the "cloud" versions & using Google Docs - I do a lot of stuff off-line & unsure how well the off-line stubs work. Also, don't know how fancy formatting will translate from Excel files into Google Docs files.

I use spreadsheets so much...that I resigned myself to the reality that the $100-150 purchase price buys me a product for 10-12 years...not lifetime.

(2) StuffIt Deluxe - I compress a small folder of important files & e-mail it to myself as additional on-line backup. Purchased 3 or 4 times - 1987 shareware, repurchased commercially, and $20(?) upgrade(s). I haven't used it since 2013, switching to the free iZip compressor. zip & tar are built-in on unix-based Macs.

StuffitIt Deluxe is in version 12, and it only has free upgrades within one version. 11 upgrade fees (every two years) to keep current? Upgrade fee is now $30 ($50 new). $30 x 11 = $330. Nope. I was willing to pay $10-20 once or twice to support a good company, but $330???? Nix, Nada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StuffIt

(3) Office for Mac is the ONLY paid software I use anymore. I use Vanilla Macs/iPods, customized as little as possible. Repurchasing software every 3-5-8 years, is not worth it for me. An entire new iPod is only about $200-250.

Online, my Yahoo $20/yr e-mail (I paid for POP, but now use IMAP) became free years ago due to competition from Gmail & decreasing storage costs in the cloud. I pay $0.99/month for extra iCloud storage (Used to pay $20/yr for Picasa image storage, but storage costs dropped).

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I used to design & sell software in the 1980s. There are 2 huge costs which are not obvious until you develop & sell software.

(1) support costs - I can see why many companies make it near impossible to reach a live person, or do not respond well to e-mail requests for help. It's damned expensive, and some people are being cheap.

On the flip side. Good service is worth paying for!!

Mac's Apple Store & Genius Bar are a great idea. It's why I pay MORE for Macs, than for PCs. Maybe once every 1-2 years, I get some problem which I just can't figure out...and the phone support & "Genius Bar" rock.

On a PC, I might be paying $100-200/visit, and I'd have to search each time for a good person to help me. Mac's Apple Store & Genius Bar are a no-brainer, even overseas (Used them often in England. P.S. Do not use power adapters on a Mac in England. Buy the Apple British power cord.)

(2) upgrade costs - keeping up with changing OSs is a PITA.
Last edited by: mamat on Oct 11, 2017
ThatDonGuy
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October 12th, 2017 at 9:34:06 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

(1) Microsoft Office for Mac - Only thing I use these days is the spreadsheet. Purchased three times - Original, Office v.X, Office 2011. The upgrade fee was so high, buying a newer version was cheaper.

I think I got a recent message that "Office for Mac 2011" for will no longer be supported.

Unsure about the "cloud" versions & using Google Docs - I do a lot of stuff off-line & unsure how well the off-line stubs work. Also, don't know how fancy formatting will translate from Excel files into Google Docs files.


Have you considered something like OpenOffice / LibreOffice? It's only a pain if you need to be 100% Word or Excel compatible.

I haven't seen the absolute latest versions of Word or OpenOffice, but LibreOffice has a feature Word didn't have in the past - the ability to create PDFs.
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October 12th, 2017 at 10:45:53 AM permalink
Congratulations Wizard, I am happy to hear that Josh is going to update your app and that you will recoup a little of your investment. I believe that today your app is still the most I have ever paid for an app. Hopefully Josh will release it as a free app with links and referrals to help build his brand.
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October 12th, 2017 at 7:07:29 PM permalink
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Hopefully Josh will release it as a free app with links and referrals to help build his brand.



That may be his plan. Not my concern any longer. I'm sure he will do a lot better with it than I did.
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October 13th, 2017 at 6:45:03 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Congratulations Wizard, I am happy to hear that Josh is going to update your app and that you will recoup a little of your investment. I believe that today your app is still the most I have ever paid for an app. Hopefully Josh will release it as a free app with links and referrals to help build his brand.



Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the price tag turned others off unfortunately. Many apps are either free, or a couple bucks a pop. Of course, winPoker is $10 too.
jml24
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October 13th, 2017 at 2:07:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can you remind me what they are?



It sounds like you don't really care any more and I can't remember myself but it seemed like the settings were not having any effect. It was a very obvious bug that would certainly be discovered when testing the new app.
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October 19th, 2017 at 3:23:35 PM permalink
Not knowing how long it would be until the Wizard iPhone app was back up I went ahead and purchased WinPoker. It seems to work great as a trainer but their are no extra built into the app in terms of graphics. I liked wizards app much better but this will do the job if you are looking for a app to tell you the right plays. In my opinion the $10 price tag is a little high but until the wizard app is back online this is probably the best you can get for a trainer.
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October 19th, 2017 at 4:08:46 PM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

In my opinion the $10 price tag is a little high but until the wizard app is back online this is probably the best you can get for a trainer.


Not picking you out specifically, because many people feel this way about mobile apps. Itís challenging for developers because mobile apps are often more labor intensive to create and maintain, and then Google/Apple app stores take their cut.

On Windows, WinPoker is $30, and Video Poker For Winners is $50.

For Blackjack, Casino Verite is $50-$100++.

All of these create real value for the player. I think $10 is s very fair price.

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