RealizeGaming
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September 27th, 2017 at 2:43:59 PM permalink
Hey everyone.

We are in the process of working on demos for a few video poker games so I wanted to share the first one with you and get some feedback (both positive and negative) about MultiDraw. We are still working on the demo, so we know it still is a work in progress, but please check it out.

http://www.realizegamingllc.com/dev/mdPoker/




Some questions to consider:

1. I understand most players don't like messing with the base pay scale, but there is some flexibility there to adjust the game in order to provide the MD card more frequently and with a more varied award (+5, x5, +4, x4, +3, x3 etc.)

Do players prefer to see a more volatile MD card that shows up less often with higher awards, or do they prefer to see the MD card show up more frequently with less awards?

2. Would players need or want to see the MD card on every single deal regardless if the card is providing an award to the player?

We talked about showing the card for every draw to entice the player, but it wouldn't show up in every hand or sometimes it wouldn't have an award attached to it. It could kind of "fly" by the card position or hand and off the bottom of the page or something like that.

3. Would players be interested in the game if we removed the multipliers altogether?

We are still working on the math, but one option we discussed could be to just use the additional cards as the award (+5, +4, +3, etc.). Would this option still be appealing to players?

Anything else that you like or dislike?

Thanks for your feedback.
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September 28th, 2017 at 8:10:33 PM permalink
I don't see how this is an improvement upon conventional multi-play video poker. The concept in general doesn't seem natural to video poker. Sorry, but I wouldn't put a down payment on that yacht just yet.
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September 28th, 2017 at 8:58:37 PM permalink
I really like it. There's a double adrenaline bump, on the draw, and again on the receipt of a multi card. If this were in a casino, I would definitely play it.

There's no way you can offer anything close to the paytable you have unless you charge a hefty premium for the multicard. The game is solidly +EV atm, even with the reduced top awards.

There's a glitch in the draw routine that allows a discard to be placed back in the hand.

I think the MD card frequency is fine, maybe even a bit often, but the final math will dictate how often it can show up. Ditto for the multipliers. I was winning crazy amounts for simple hands, like a simple dealt JOB that did not improve, with a +5x3 card I still won 1500 on 100.
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September 29th, 2017 at 7:20:45 AM permalink
My opinion is get the casinos to adopt this paytable and I love it.

Since that won't happen, my opinion is between that of Wizard and BBB:

I don't really care about the multi-card aspect very much at all, but the multipliers are cool. The multi-card aspect is a non-mover because you'd have to have a pretty good hand to begin with for it to matter very much. (Again, I'm assuming a sub-100% paytable)

Okay, so I get an, "Extra," flush, two pair, JoB, Trips...blah. Don't care.

The only time the multi-card draw is really going to entice me is when I'm drawing to something really good, like Quads, four-SF or four-Royal...now I want to see extra cards!

If I would change anything about the game, I would make it so that only certain drawing hands will even see the multi-card, but that it is automatic for those hands, and that any hand can receive a random multiplier.

I don't know if you would do it based on pre-draw holds, or maybe the game can determine what the player ended up with before dealing out the last card to decide if it should be an automatic multi-card. I would multi-card 2P (go for FH) all Four-Flushes, Trips (going for Quads)....that would also cover SF's and Royals under those parameters. If none of those situations are the case after four cards, then the last card is a single card.

When you do the math, unless you want to require a higher bet, you're going to find that this cannot come up very much at all. That being the case, I would save it for when it matters somewhat.
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September 29th, 2017 at 8:53:41 AM permalink
Several times I discarded 2 or 3 cards, got the same exact cards in the same positions ??? How you expect a honest appraisal under those conditions ? Combined with a pay table that ensures a winning experience. Talk about a rush to market. Time to fix or start all over. Not what you wanted to hear. No Dad wants to hear his baby is UGLY HaHa
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September 29th, 2017 at 11:28:51 AM permalink
Here is an idea and I reserve all rights to it.

Something like what you're doing but give the extra draws on only certain types of hands. I'm thinking four to a royal certainly but maybe also three to a royal and three of a kind. Player has to bet an extra coin or two per hand to enable the feature. It is possible this idea is already out there, which may be why it so easily springs to mind.
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RealizeGaming
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September 29th, 2017 at 3:21:41 PM permalink
Wizard, I understand what you are saying as I wouldn't consider it an improvement to multi-play poker, just a different variation.

We have talked about using the MD card when certain hands were obtained, but overall didn't like it as much as having it appear randomly in the hand at anytime. We also discussed having the features appear in every single hand with a higher wager required to have the opportunity, but we felt that it would be too much.

Ideally, I think we could go with the game as a three or five play game and have the card appear much less. Having so many hands may "distract" the player into thinking it appears more often than it does and I like the possibility of the MD card appearing in more than one hand.
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September 29th, 2017 at 3:36:06 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I really like it. There's a double adrenaline bump, on the draw, and again on the receipt of a multi card. If this were in a casino, I would definitely play it.

There's no way you can offer anything close to the paytable you have unless you charge a hefty premium for the multicard. The game is solidly +EV atm, even with the reduced top awards.

There's a glitch in the draw routine that allows a discard to be placed back in the hand.

I think the MD card frequency is fine, maybe even a bit often, but the final math will dictate how often it can show up. Ditto for the multipliers. I was winning crazy amounts for simple hands, like a simple dealt JOB that did not improve, with a +5x3 card I still won 1500 on 100.



Thanks beachbumbabs. Our next focus is to get the math at the correct point to find the balance between having a fun game for the player and an acceptable and fair hold for the operators.

Yes, we are aware of the glitch. Once the card is discarded from the hand, it cannot return for that hand. Thanks for pointing this out as it is very easy to miss when we are focusing on so many other things.

I tend to agree with the appearance of the MD card being a bit much right now. Our goal is to show how the MD feature works so the VP crowd can get a feel for it before we adjust it to fit in with the correct math.

Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
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September 29th, 2017 at 4:01:05 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

My opinion is get the casinos to adopt this paytable and I love it.



If I could do that the players would love me and the casinos would hate me. I played for 45 minutes the other night and ending up 40k ahead!


Quote: Mission146

Since that won't happen, my opinion is between that of Wizard and BBB:

I don't really care about the multi-card aspect very much at all, but the multipliers are cool. The multi-card aspect is a non-mover because you'd have to have a pretty good hand to begin with for it to matter very much. (Again, I'm assuming a sub-100% paytable)

Okay, so I get an, "Extra," flush, two pair, JoB, Trips...blah. Don't care.

The only time the multi-card draw is really going to entice me is when I'm drawing to something really good, like Quads, four-SF or four-Royal...now I want to see extra cards!



I kind of like having a chance at winning some of the smaller hands. I think having the possibility of getting a multiplier also helps out quite a bit on the lower hands. It is similar to the slot players who don't mind playing 300 pennies and winning 40 cents. As long as they are winning something to gain some of their money back, they can live with that outcome.

Quote: Mission146

If I would change anything about the game, I would make it so that only certain drawing hands will even see the multi-card, but that it is automatic for those hands, and that any hand can receive a random multiplier.

I don't know if you would do it based on pre-draw holds, or maybe the game can determine what the player ended up with before dealing out the last card to decide if it should be an automatic multi-card. I would multi-card 2P (go for FH) all Four-Flushes, Trips (going for Quads)....that would also cover SF's and Royals under those parameters. If none of those situations are the case after four cards, then the last card is a single card.

When you do the math, unless you want to require a higher bet, you're going to find that this cannot come up very much at all. That being the case, I would save it for when it matters somewhat.



I totally get your thinking on using the MD for only certain hands. With your parameters you mentioned above, I would also include straights where they are one card away from it. When you start considering all the hands, we felt it would be better to use the MD randomly on the draw because we wanted it to affect all the hands.

Double Double Bonus which takes advantage of a kicker for some of the bigger hands would also be an interesting use for the MD card. Imagine getting dealt four aces and the open card position reveals a MD card.....several chances to pick up the low kicker on more than one hand!

I'd be interested to find out how much VP players would be willing to bet for the MD card possibility. I think the highest game doubles the initial bet, but would players be okay with betting 3x or 4x as much?

Thanks for your response Mission
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September 29th, 2017 at 4:05:41 PM permalink
Quote: sixsisters

Several times I discarded 2 or 3 cards, got the same exact cards in the same positions ??? How you expect a honest appraisal under those conditions ? Combined with a pay table that ensures a winning experience. Talk about a rush to market. Time to fix or start all over. Not what you wanted to hear. No Dad wants to hear his baby is UGLY HaHa



I apologize for that glitch and we will fix it right away. It is a very early build and we wanted to reach out to the great people in these forums, especially the VP community since they (we) are a different breed. It is not close to being ready for market and we won't rush it to get it done. We want everything to be right with the game before we try to get it to the market.

Regardless, I do appreciate your views sixsisters and keep checking back in. We will have a final product sometime soon.

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