Jackpot hit while playing with another person's card?

What happens if I am playing with somebody else's players card and I hit a hand pay jackpot? Will that get me into trouble? Can I just remove the player's card before the slot tech comes to pay me?

Also, what happens if I fund another player, and they are playing next to me with their card inserted, and they hit a hand pay jackpot? Can we just switch seats really quick before the slot crew goes to pay, despite it being someone else that has their card inserted and playing? I don't know the legality of this.

Quote: Dyvan13

What happens if I am playing with somebody else's players card and I hit a hand pay jackpot? Will that get me into trouble? Can I just remove the player's card before the slot tech comes to pay me?

Also, what happens if I fund another player, and they are playing next to me with their card inserted, and they hit a hand pay jackpot? Can we just switch seats really quick before the slot crew goes to pay, despite it being someone else that has their card inserted and playing? I don't know the legality of this.

You are not going to get into any real trouble using someone else's card to accumulate points. If the casino knows what you are doing they can exclude both of you from the players club or ask you not to come back to the casino. You could get in trouble for downloading freeplay from someone else's card but unlikely the casino will prosecute for theft.

The casino is required to give the tax form to the player playing the game. If they know who was playing ten that person will get it. You can get in trouble for switching seats, but it is very unlikely, and the casino will file a SAR if they know you switched seats.

Exactly what drich said

I think it depends on the casino, but generally I dont think the casino will care unless they have it our for you. I can say I've seen people hit jackpots on others cards, the person on the card claimed it, and even told the attendant they weren't playing. The attendant didn't care, just did the paperwork and got his tip.

In some cases, a casino has refused to pay all people involved.
Usually if they look on camera, they insist on paying the person who hit the button.

Quote: Dyvan13

Can I just remove the player's card before the slot tech comes to pay me?

Some people have had no problems doing this.
Other people have.

Depends on a casino's software also.
At one casino I know, if you have (or don't have) a card in the machine when the jackpot hits, it gets sent to a different list on their computers. It causes them more work for jackpots hit without a card, and they don't like it.

Unless you are on some strange Indian casino I would bet money that a casino won't refuse to pay a jackpot Provided you show id of the person who hit the button
I have had this happen in almost every state with a casino and never had an issue

What is suspicious about having another's card generating a SAR? If the person is putting up the money, present, and taking the risk, someone else just happening to play when a jp comes, I can understand them claiming the win if they're keeping the money. If the person playing owes the card holder the money, they can't sign for off on a w2g because the form states this person won the money and doesn't owe it to anyone else.

Quote: Dyvan13

What happens if I am playing with somebody else's players card and I hit a hand pay jackpot? Will that get me into trouble? Can I just remove the player's card before the slot tech comes to pay me?

Also, what happens if I fund another player, and they are playing next to me with their card inserted, and they hit a hand pay jackpot? Can we just switch seats really quick before the slot crew goes to pay, despite it being someone else that has their card inserted and playing? I don't know the legality of this.

It DOES depend on the casino as I think it was here on this very board that someone said that a mother and a daughter were playing side by side when the daughter hit a jackpot and they lightning fast switched seats, the Mom got paid and the casino didn't catch what they did as far as the poster's knowledge. Turns out the daughter did not want a jackpot in her own name because she didn't want her husband to find out that she was STILL gambling.(Had it come in her own name I think she would have had tax forms for the jackpot sent to her house and there was a real probability that her husband could have been the one picking up the mail when it arrived at her house.)

What do you think the probability was that her husband would have got the mail?

Quote: Nathan

It DOES depend on the casino as I think it was here on this very board that someone said that a mother and a daughter were playing side by side when the daughter hit a jackpot and they lightning fast switched seats, the Mom got paid and the casino didn't catch what they did as far as the poster's knowledge. Turns out the daughter did not want a jackpot in her own name because she didn't want her husband to find out that she was STILL gambling.(Had it come in her own name I think she would have had tax forms for the jackpot sent to her house and there was a real probability that her husband could have been the one picking up the mail when it arrived at her house.)

Who knows what people believe, but this doesn't fit with my personal experience the last couple years. Nobody sends any tax forms to the house. You get the w2g at that time, end of story. Nothing comes in January; it's on you to file amounts appropriate to the paperwork you already received, so the IRS can match it up (if they care to) with what the casinos reported on your SSN.

In the late 1990s, my friends son hit something like $13,000 at The Sands in Atlantic City. While processing the paperwork, he mentioned how this was going to hurt his financial aid for school the next year. My friend asked if he could sign for it and they let him. Money laundering regulations have tightened up and I doubt any casino would willing permit this anymore.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Who knows what people believe, but this doesn't fit with my personal experience the last couple years. Nobody sends any tax forms to the house. You get the w2g at that time, end of story. Nothing comes in January; it's on you to file amounts appropriate to the paperwork you already received, so the IRS can match it up (if they care to) with what the casinos reported on your SSN.

Okay that DOES make sense. I said,"I think the Tax forms come to your house," because I remember someone on a gambling website saying something like,"I won $20,000 on a lucky spin. Later, I got a tax form in my mail for it and my husband found it, saying,"Honey, anything you want to tell me about?" LOL!"

Some casinos absolutely send a W2G to your house, particularly Caesars properties.

That is true, just the back story of the person that posted it makes it always sound odd

I hit a JP at Paris this summer and indeed they said they would mail the W2-G.

Quote: BTLWI

I hit a JP at Paris this summer and indeed they said they would mail the W2-G.

To mail W2G or not to mail must depend on the casino. :)

Quote: RS

Some casinos absolutely send a W2G to your house, particularly Caesars properties.

Caesars is the only place I know that gives you a receipt for a W2G, and sends you a W2G in the mail in the next 1-2 months. Weird.

I like that some Harrahs places pay your jackpot with money from their fanny pack, so you don't have to wait 5-15-60-90 min.

In an earlier marriage, I sometimes went gambling with my mother-in-law. (She could stay by herself, go to the casino with me, or go to church with my then-wife. No contest!)

Virginia had no money, so we played with mine --- and I would dictate what games to play and cards to hold. We had a rotation system where a full house or higher (or two dealt straights or flushes) would institute a change in whether she was in front of the machine or I was. On occasion Virginia would deviate from what I told her to do. She was then done for the day and just sat and watched while I played. I'd give her another chance "next time," but not in the same day. I understand this wouldn't work with every mother-in-law, but she had no assets of her own --- and no gambling skill --- and loved to play. Either she played with me under my rules or she didn't get to play except for a few days each month until she went through her Social Security check.

Anyway, before we started at each casino I called over the slot shift boss to tell him what we wanted to do. It was my money --- I would be calling the shots --- and I should get the W2G if any jackpots resulted. If the boss was fine with that, we went ahead and played. If he insisted he couldn't do that because of gaming rules or house rules, we said goodbye and went and played elsewhere.

Back when Harrah's Laughlin had $5 and $10 10-7 Double Bonus, this was really good cover. I was the very thought son-in-law coming down to spend time with Virginia --- rather than Bob Dancer coming to town to take advantage of a very loose game.

If any employees came over to say hello, we would always explain that Virginia was baby-sitting me!

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

South Point and Pala (SoCal) mailed forms home too. (The former being a table progressive >1200; the latter being a tournament cash prize <1200.)

The general case appears to be 'whoever hit the button'; any idea what would happen when multiple people are involved, where the payout isn't completely deterministic? For example, there's a few slots where one person could have initiated the spin, but somebody else influences it after a bonus is triggered. (10 spins at 1x or 5 spins at 2x, for example.) My gut says that they'd give it to the original person, but it's another feature that can muddy the waters.

And it doesn't matter whether it's a table game or not.

Both Indian casino examples below:

The 2,800 Royal Flush VP win was at Redhawk (Placerville, CA). I didn't have a player's card and though I am living now in California, I am still in the process of getting my California DL (yes I have to take a driving test) so they got my Canadian ID, which caused them to withhold at 30% and issue a different tax form. Payout took about 30 minutes and they issued me a Player's card on the spot. They told me next jackpot would be much faster with the Player's card.

They verify your SSN on the fly with the US Government I-9 program.

At Thunder Valley (Lincoln, CA), I won a $1,000 bonus jackpot at DealerUp PGP (table game, Royal Flush) and they issued me the W2G. Once again, I didn't have a Player's Card (Thunder Valley won't issue one without a foreign passport) so they spent 30 minutes (game closed down) figuring out how to pay me. Eventually they just took my SSN and US address and created a player's card and W2G based on my US address (which I have no proof of) and SSN (which I have no proof of). I felt bad for the players who had to wait 30 minutes to get their $50 Envy. Eventually, they let the game play, put my 1K in chips on the side, and did all of the verification while the game was playing. Once I got the W2G, it took me about three minutes to point at the chips at the dealer side and said, "when do I get those?" Then I got paid.

I assume that Thunder Valley also validated my SSN on the fly. They also issued me a player's card. When I went to do my PIN, I got flack at the counter for having a Player's card but they allowed it after about 10 minutes of hemming and hawing.