Odds of 4 of a kind on JOB or DDB

I mainly play 9/6 JOB but will play DDB too sometime. Quads on JOB = 25/1 and DDB 5-K = 50/1. Question: If machine is using RNG, and 52 card deck then the odds of drawing 5-K Quads should be the same on either game and DDB pays twice as much. From my experience, i hit more quads on JOB. Opinions or answers are appreciated.

Quote: dahoss2002

I mainly play 9/6 JOB but will play DDB too sometime. Quads on JOB = 25/1 and DDB 5-K = 50/1. Question: If machine is using RNG, and 52 card deck then the odds of drawing 5-K Quads should be the same on either game and DDB pays twice as much. From my experience, i hit more quads on JOB. Opinions or answers are appreciated.

I'd think you'd get more on DDB due to not holding aces full or two pair containing aces. But that's just a guesstimate.

But then again, in JoB, you hold hands like AK, AJ offsuit whereas in DDB you only hold the ace.

Quote: dahoss2002

Question: If machine is using RNG, and 52 card deck then the odds of drawing 5-K Quads should be the same on either game

yes.

as for you hitting more quads on JoB, I would say small sample size.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'd think you'd get more on DDB due to not holding aces full or two pair containing aces. But that's just a guesstimate.

But then again, in JoB, you hold hands like AK, AJ whereas in DDB you only hold the ace.

he said drawing 5-K :)

Quote: 100xOdds

he said drawing 5-K :)

Do'h!! Too much Orange Crush at the casino. :-)

My only quad today was kings holding two of them.

Quote: dahoss2002

I mainly play 9/6 JOB but will play DDB too sometime. Quads on JOB = 25/1 and DDB 5-K = 50/1. Question: If machine is using RNG, and 52 card deck then the odds of drawing 5-K Quads should be the same on either game and DDB pays twice as much. From my experience, I hit more quads on JOB. Opinions or answers are appreciated.

I think I have pointed this out before.

On a game like double bonus poker deluxe where it pays 80 to 1 for all 4 of a kind the 4oak cycle is actually slightly longer(423.9) than a 9/6 cycle. The 9/6 cycle is 423.3 hands

let's pretend they had a game where the only pay out was a 4 of a kind, the shortest possible 4oak cycle is 376 hands. Of course, you wouldn't be playing that way, so you really should not be noticing any difference.

I think the reason it seems like you get more 4 of a kinds on a 9/6 is because you are usually losing far less in between 4 of kinds, so it's not so painful when you go a while without hitting one so you don't notice as much. You are not sitting there feeding in bill after bill like you would be on a DDB, wondering when the hell you will hit your next 4 of a kind. When you do go on a 4 of a kind rush playing 9/6 you are probably thinking, "damn I wish I was playing DDB."

Quote: AxelWolf

I think the reason it seems like you get more 4 of a kinds on a 9/6 is because you are usually losing far less in between 4 of kinds, so it's not so painful when you go a while without hitting one so you don't notice as much. You are not sitting there feeding in bill after bill like you would be on a DDB, wondering when the hell you will hit your next 4 of a kind. When you do go on a 4 of a kind rush playing 9/6 you are probably thinking, "damn I wish I was playing DDB."

just played 10play 9/7 Triple Double Bonus (99.6%) on vp.com for fun.
holy Christ,,, talk about feast or famine. (it's twice the variance of Double double bonus.)

the bankroll drain of not hitting Quads was insane.

Quote: 100xOdds

just played 10play 9/7 Triple Double Bonus (99.6%) on vp.com for fun.
holy Christ,,, talk about feast or famine. (it's twice the variance of Double double bonus.)

the bankroll drain of not hitting Quads was insane.

Now play it with ultimate x.

JOB cycle is 1/(47,093,167,764 / 19,933,230,517,200) or 423.2722.

DDB cycle is 1 / ((32,494,582,452 + 7,662,444,216 + 3,460,011,120 + 2,854,370,052 + 1,227,691,500) / 19,933,230,517,200 ) or 417.8953

I believe it mostly comes down to Aces. If you want to check it out for yourself, use a DDB strategy generator and use DDB paytable, then do the same thing (using DDB strategy generator) but input the JOB paytable for it (so AWAK pays 25:1 instead of 400:1, etc.).

Quote: AxelWolf

I think I have pointed this out before.

I think the reason it seems like you get more 4 of a kinds on a 9/6 is because you are usually losing far less in between 4 of kinds, so it's not so painful when you go a while without hitting one so you don't notice as much. You are not sitting there feeding in bill after bill like you would be on a DDB, wondering when the hell you will hit your next 4 of a kind. When you do go on a 4 of a kind rush playing 9/6 you are probably thinking, "damn I wish I was playing DDB."

Thanks!! I just hit more quads/dollar spent on JOB not more quads/hands. That makes sense.