Someone tried to actually con me into being vultured today
It was quite obvious what the guy was doing and I almost wanted to say I knew what he was doing and call him out for it.
I'm curious to know if this was someone on here.
Pretty scummy move in my opinion, trying to get me to get up change seats to get an advantage when I got up hoping I'd leave an multiplier.
P.S. About to board a flight. So won't be able to respond for a while...
I've had a few folks harass me for money at the Casino Royale (none recently) and my response is that I am calling security. I mean these people are kind of aggressive about asking for money because they see you hit a 4OAK at video poker or something I don't even argue I just hit my light and say I'm getting security over here.
I told him it was mine, he said no, it was his.
We argued.
I nearly punched him out.
He quickly realized his little scam was failing and that he was in the wrong, so he skulked off.
What happens in Vegas ...
Quote: mrsuit31I'm curious to know if this was someone on here.
Lol.Quote: MrVI nearly punched him out.
I was OK with the idea that he saw credits and quickly sat down, but when the P.O.S. blatantly lied to me and said the credits were his, well, let's just say he made a wise move to slither off when I braced him.
I take no guff when I strut my stuff.
Quote: MrVI refuse to give a penny to the hordes of homeless beggars polluting this fair land; the last thing I'd tolerate is him getting away with stealing my remaining credits (around fifty bucks, IIRC).
I was OK with the idea that he saw credits and quickly sat down, but when the P.O.S. blatatantly lied to me and said the credits were his, well, let's just say he made a wise move to slither off when I braced him.
I take no guff when I strut my stuff.
I tell them to get a job.
I called security on one at another casino and he got really mad at me. I forgot what he called me but it was pretty funny :)
He was working with a female. They were a team. He would get the mark to play and leave, and then the female would come in to play off the multipliers.
Quote: TheGrimReaper13Lol.
I thought it was a fair question lol.
Quote: ahiromuI sincerely hope you misread the situation, that's extremely pathetic.
If that was directed at my original post, it was 100% the situation. His actions very clearly show it. The second I got up he circled back around, looked, saw nothing and carried on with his rounds.
LITERALLY the exact moment I got up he glanced in my direction, caught eye contact with me and waited for me to get far enough away to swoop in. It was pretty creepily clear he had been watching me the whole time. The second I was able to see over the machines I saw him looking directly at me. After I took about twenty steps I looped around a slot bank and saw him already at my previous machine clearly looking to see if I listened to him and played the UX machine.
I'm curious how often he actually convinces people to do it. Vulturing when someone leaves a multiplier active is one thing, but deliberately trying to force people into it is a very different story.
Everyone on here would have laughed had you seen him "teaching me" how it worked. He kept switching back and forth through the screens, switching the number of credit increments to play and then points to the Ultimate X symbol on the right side of the screen (where the X is pulsating) and says "see", as if he entered the game genie cheat code lol.
him have me load up all the multipliers thinking he's going to have me move to "a better machine"
Then play them off on him.
Quote: SamhainI feel bad enough just checking for multis (I check before I actually play the machine), and a lot of times I won't if someone is sitting next to me. I would feel like such an ass if it was their multipliers I was collecting.
Why would that be? If the multipliers you are playing off were generated, in fact, off of the play of the person next to you and the person figures out what you are doing and why, then have you not indirectly done the person a favor? If the person doesn't notice what you are doing, or does and does not realize why you are doing it, then, 'No blood, no foul.'
That said, TeddyS is absolutely right that creators are complete scumbags.
Quote: Mission146Why would that be? If the multipliers you are playing off were generated, in fact, off of the play of the person next to you and the person figures out what you are doing and why, then have you not indirectly done the person a favor? If the person doesn't notice what you are doing, or does and does not realize why you are doing it, then, 'No blood, no foul.'
That said, TeddyS is absolutely right that creators are complete scumbags.
Thats a good point, I never really thought of it in that way before. Id like to consider myself a half decent person and I guess am self conscious about them thinking I'm a scumbag for playing the multipliers they generated. But like you said, maybe I'd be doing them a favor by exposing this. Ok from now on I'm not going to worry about it :)
I just attended a conference in Reno and most days I had success finding multipliers at the quarter level but usually not above particularly at the Grand Sierra where the conference was (I won't be back in Reno for a long time so I can't say that sharing this information hurts me very much!) - they have a large number of these machines at the bar which usually were mostly picked over but the ones on the casino floor were not, of course I have a small sample size. I also had good luck at Harrah's where I was staying but they only had a couple of ultimate X machines so it wasn't worth a special trip or anything but I always found a couple 2 or 3 X there at least and I think one other downtown property that I can't remember, it might've been the Silver Legacy.
I cannot imagine trying to sucker someone into leaving multipliers on their machine though. Last time I was in the high limit room at Caesars in Las Vegas I found a couple multipliers on an empty machine at the $1 level and I felt bad enough because someone was playing two machines down and for all I know maybe they were the ones that left the multipliers on there. But, that wasn't my fault and the multipliers were worth like 20 or 25 bucks so I sat down and took my shot and I think probably lost 20 bucks!
Quote: AxelWolfAt the risk of actually having to be near one of these guys. I would sure love to have
him have me load up all the multipliers thinking he's going to have me move to "a better machine"
Then play them off on him.
I did that last month. I play all the games and switch at random. A guy saw me switch games and leave a bunch. He hovered for about 30 minutes. At one time I even cashed out and stood up in front of machine. Stretched and sat back down and continued playing. When the lady next to me was done he plopped down and checked it. While he was doing it I made sure he saw me play off mine.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI tell them to get a job.
I don't talk to them at all. A lot of them will get
really mad and act threatening if you engage
them.
Quote: EvenBobI don't talk to them at all. A lot of them will get
really mad and act threatening if you engage
them.
If you think I'm scared them, you're sadly mistaken.
Do you actually answer them or just start reciting prayers? You could always answer their question with another question:Quote: WizardofnothingI always stare at them for a second and then answer them in Hebrew
Ma nishtanah halailah hazeh mikol haleilot?
Quote: MathExtremistDo you actually answer them or just start reciting prayers? You could always answer their question with another questions:
Ma nishtanah halailah hazeh mikol haleilot?
I like this idea. I might have to try that. All the Jews can scare the beggars.
Anee ohev gleeda! Confuse the sh!t out of them.
(Means I like ice cream lol)
Quote: mrsuit31...as if he entered the game genie cheat code lol.
Nice pull =)
When he gets up to check yours, swoop into his seat and just start playing. I couldn't do it, but it'd be good for a laugh.
Ruining someone's day is more valuable to me than money, so in that situation I'd play one credit and just stare at him as I did it. Tick, tick, tick, just piss all the multipliers away, smiling right in his face.
Jeepers, I think I just thought of a new hobby. Gotta be cheaper than racing...
Quote: Face
Ruining someone's day is more valuable to me than money, so in that situation I'd play one credit and just stare at him as I did it. Tick, tick, tick, just piss all the multipliers away, smiling right in his face.
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That sounds like me. I would play 10 coins until I hit a good multiplier and then I would leave it and change to another game. I would load up every paytable and denom with multipliers so the guy would be orgasmic while waiting for me to leave. I would play as long as I could making him wait around and then when I was ready to leave I would go back to each paytable and play it off at 5 credits.
Quote: DRichThat sounds like me. I would play 10 coins until I hit a good multiplier and then I would leave it and change to another game. I would load up every paytable and denom with multipliers so the guy would be orgasmic while waiting for me to leave. I would play as long as I could making him wait around and then when I was ready to leave I would go back to each paytable and play it off at 5 credits.
Quote: Face
Ruining someone's day is more valuable to me than money,.
Postal workers. So bitter, such haters..
Anyone have a pic of this machine?
Quote: WizardGetting back to the original topic, I've heard of this scam before. The way it works is the scammer will assume the mark isn't familiar with the rules of Ultimate X. His goal is to get the mark to play the game with his own money and abandon it with a high multiplier, which the scammer will later keep for himself. How he gets the mark to abandon the multiplier, I'm not sure, but I've heard the scammers will talk very fast and evidently try to confuse the mark.
I have also heard of a variation - in fact, I'm pretty sure I heard it on this board - where the vulture gets the mark to switch back and forth between two machines so the vulture can play off the multipliers.
Quote: WizardofnothingPa state police arrested two guys that were running it at sugar house
They'll arrest you for cashing out 1¢ that isn't yours!
Quote: IbeatyouracesPoint is, PA has some ridiculous rules.
Well this is a deliberate attempt at a con to dupe people out of their multipliers, which the con man/men deliberately set up (produced by the victims financial investment). I don't think this is something that can be attributed to the "rediculous rules" card.. You can't deliberately try and take advantage of someone while benefiting financially from the scam (or at least the is my opinion and no I haven't researched the issue). That's essentially theft depending upon how it's viewed... It's the same type of situation where I could convince you to buy something, perhaps a raffle, for some made up cause (which many would a worthy one), to only enhance my chances of winning a monetary prize for selling the most raffles.
Your scamming people to increase your chances of winning something based upon some false belief manifested from knowingly false information provided by the vulture/team.
I hadn't known about the existence of this type of BS scheme prior to this happening yesterday. However, this guy made it so disgustingly obvious to what he was doing. It's simply sad...
The Donald will have to put up a wall to separate the vultures from the marks. And have the vultures pay for it, after they serve their 1-cent sentences for this horrendous and prolific crime which some have only heard about.Quote: RSAlthough I certainly don't agree with the vulture-scamming-team.....doesn't sound like something necessarily arrest-worthy IMO. More of like.....they should'a been told to stop / 86'd. Just IMO.
Quote: WizardofnothingPa state police arrested two guys that were running it at sugar house
This article is from a year ago, but it indicates that SugarHouse Security has bigger issues to worry about:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/philadelphia-casino-winner-robbed-13-000-article-1.2225541
I still see that one ugly Asian man with crooked teeth in Vegas doing it.
Quote: WizardofnothingPa state police arrested two guys that were running it at sugar house
Good for the PA police!
Quote: WizardofnothingPa state police arrested two guys that were running it at sugar house
Do you have a source for that. I know 2 men were arrested for sliding dice? But vulturing ultimate X ?
I'm hopping on the train that I would instantly pull out like $500 and start playing .50 and $1 denoms, claiming after any big win "well that's the big win for this game, gotta try another." When I have them good and salivating going "I think that's all the games." I'll try to get them to get me to leave, then I'll say something like "Eh, I think I'm gonna play off all these multipliers so assholes who try to con people in to leaving them get nothing more than a big waste of -EV time."
Quote: RomesThis is sad that people even do this... Who's your target audience? The only ladies that play nickels or MAYBE dimes??? What's an okay mult worth on nickels or dimes, a dollar? That's a LOT of work and being a sleazy scumbag for $1.
I'm hopping on the train that I would instantly pull out like $500 and start playing .50 and $1 denoms, claiming after any big win "well that's the big win for this game, gotta try another." When I have them good and salivating going "I think that's all the games." I'll try to get them to get me to leave, then I'll say something like "Eh, I think I'm gonna play off all these multipliers so assholes who try to con people in to leaving them get nothing more than a big waste of -EV time."
I was playing UX once (straight up). A vulture sits next to me, does his thing. He seems kinda rude (idk, I didn't like the guy). So, of course, I go through each game and load up some multipliers. His face gets real excited, finishes the machine he was on, then sits at a bank of machines across from me. Gets on his phone and says something like, "Omg, I found the ultimate jackpot! This stupid kid is getting bunch of multipliers then switching to a different game." I finish loading up quite a few games....stand up, and he's about to lunge out of his chair. Pull out the phone, look at it for a sec, and I decide to sit back down. Then look at random pictures on facebook/imgur for a good 10-15 minutes or....guy is still sitting there, waiting impatiently. I'm about to leave and -- oh yeah, I'll play some more! So I play off all the multipliers, he's watching but not paying great attention, as he couldn't quite see exactly what I was doing (betting 5 coins a line). I finish up, get up and walk away slowly, and he jumped in the seat as quickly as he could. Oh, the confused look on his face when none of the games had any multipliers! As if he had been lied to his entire life! Hahaha.
Quote: RSI was playing UX once (straight up). A vulture sits next to me, does his thing. He seems kinda rude (idk, I didn't like the guy). So, of course, I go through each game and load up some multipliers. His face gets real excited, finishes the machine he was on, then sits at a bank of machines across from me. Gets on his phone and says something like, "Omg, I found the ultimate jackpot! This stupid kid is getting bunch of multipliers then switching to a different game." I finish loading up quite a few games....stand up, and he's about to lunge out of his chair. Pull out the phone, look at it for a sec, and I decide to sit back down. Then look at random pictures on facebook/imgur for a good 10-15 minutes or....guy is still sitting there, waiting impatiently. I'm about to leave and -- oh yeah, I'll play some more! So I play off all the multipliers, he's watching but not paying great attention, as he couldn't quite see exactly what I was doing (betting 5 coins a line). I finish up, get up and walk away slowly, and he jumped in the seat as quickly as he could. Oh, the confused look on his face when none of the games had any multipliers! As if he had been lied to his entire life! Hahaha.
Haha, I wish I knew about this prior and didn't have to go to a meeting. Perhaps I would have messed around a bit. I would have probably walked by at the end after he realized, looked at him, laughed and walked away.
Quote: RSI was playing UX once (straight up). A vulture sits next to me, does his thing. He seems kinda rude (idk, I didn't like the guy). So, of course, I go through each game and load up some multipliers. His face gets real excited, finishes the machine he was on, then sits at a bank of machines across from me. Gets on his phone and says something like, "Omg, I found the ultimate jackpot! This stupid kid is getting bunch of multipliers then switching to a different game." I finish loading up quite a few games....stand up, and he's about to lunge out of his chair. Pull out the phone, look at it for a sec, and I decide to sit back down. Then look at random pictures on facebook/imgur for a good 10-15 minutes or....guy is still sitting there, waiting impatiently. I'm about to leave and -- oh yeah, I'll play some more! So I play off all the multipliers, he's watching but not paying great attention, as he couldn't quite see exactly what I was doing (betting 5 coins a line). I finish up, get up and walk away slowly, and he jumped in the seat as quickly as he could. Oh, the confused look on his face when none of the games had any multipliers! As if he had been lied to his entire life! Hahaha.
That is awesome.
You can check the gaming arrests on their site I believe, but I haven't heard of anyone being arrested for it. That would definitely be something worthwhile hearing about because I heard there's a group who actually have some elaborate system in place getting marks there.Quote: ernestmiddleDo you have a source for that. I know 2 men were arrested for sliding dice? But vulturing ultimate X ?
I'm going to guess the police were called and they got arrested for some other reason, probably a warrant for some other con.
