Bankroll 100Play Progressive

I am very interested and involved in Video Poker (that´s all about me for now).

So, i found a Progressive Game 50 and 100 Play 8/5 JoB (and I know the variance is way higher than in single Play)

But how high the Bankroll should be? I can´t find anything good in the Internet or (sadly) also with any Software.

How high a bankroll should be? if I Play:


50Play (total US$ 62.5) per Hand

100Play (total US$ 125) per Hand


If I enter the game at a ER of 100.5% or maybe a ER of 101%


The Increasement rate of the Royal is 1%.

Can this question be answered by Michael Shackleford? :)

I would have answered your question but apparently you only want Michael Shackleford to answer it. Maybe you should have sent him an email or something.

Pretty sure you can just solve the same question for Single play, then just multiply it by either 50 or 100? i.e. Find out bankroll requirements for the game if it were a single line progressive, then multiply it out. I'm a wizard!

That's not correct, because the result of the 100 hands after the draw depends on the initial deal. I think it's like four times as high for 100 play vs single line. I believe you should be able to calculate your ROR by simulation, using Video Poker for Winners software.

Hi Romes Thanks for your reply. But this ain´t works mathematically :)
Good Luck at the games

LOL of course you can answer too. If you want.
I just wait for MJ answer too:)

Ty man. That Sounds very proffesional!
I think Bob´s Software can´t do it...

Quote: vpstuey

Hi Romes Thanks for your reply. But this ain´t works mathematically :)
Good Luck at the games

Yes, yes it does =).

1) Get your average bet for the level you're playing (super easy on VP, it's the bet you make every time).
2) Get the variance of the game from the Wiz's VP page with all of the different types of games variances.
3) Calculate the Standard Deviation for 1 hand (SD1 = AvgBet*Var). Then use that to calculate the Standard Deviation for the number of hands you plan to play (SDx = Sqrt(NumHands)*SD1).
4) Multiply your SD by 3 to get, with 99.5% certainty, the max amount you could win/lose.

This is all for single line. If you're playing 50 play or 100 play, what's the difference? It's single line X the number of lines. You'll notice it blows your Standard Deviations up huge... because you could have massive swings playing 100 hands at a time.

Quote: Romes

Yes, yes it does =).

1) Get your average bet for the level you're playing (super easy on VP, it's the bet you make every time).
2) Get the variance of the game from the Wiz's VP page with all of the different types of games variances.
3) Calculate the Standard Deviation for 1 hand (SD1 = AvgBet*Var). Then use that to calculate the Standard Deviation for the number of hands you plan to play (SDx = Sqrt(NumHands)*SD1).
4) Multiply your SD by 3 to get, with 99.5% certainty, the max amount you could win/lose.

This is all for single line. If you're playing 50 play or 100 play, what's the difference? It's single line X the number of lines. You'll notice it blows your Standard Deviations up huge... because you could have massive swings playing 100 hands at a time.

It doesn't Romes. You seem to be having a misunderstanding of how multi-line vp functions? The per line variance is decreased, as each line is a dependent rather than independent trial. I believe you need about 3x bankroll for 10-line, and 10x bankroll for 50 line as for single line, decrease in per line variance decreases in a somwhat linear fashion. There is a page on WoO somewhere on multi-line vp, not going to spend the minute to look it up and link it.

Dancers software does not have simulations readily available for more than 10 lines.

Numbers for 9/6 jacks rounded to 2nd decimal, close enough for government work to 8/5 Jacks variance with a little added variance for progressive.
1-line: SD: 4.42 Variance: 19.51
50-line: SD: 10.76 Variance: 115.87
100-line: SD: 14.64 Variance: 214.19

Quote: vpstuey

So, i found a Progressive Game 50 and 100 Play 8/5 JoB (and I know the variance is way higher than in single Play)

A 100-play progressive? Is the progressive on the dealt royal, or on any royal? Who is the manufacturer? I've never seen such a thing, and I've played a LOT of video poker.

And no, Video Poker for Winners, nor any other video poker software, can't simulate 50/100 play machines.

Quote: fivespot

A 100-play progressive? Is the progressive on the dealt royal, or on any royal? Who is the manufacturer? I've never seen such a thing, and I've played a LOT of video poker.

And no, Video Poker for Winners, nor any other video poker software, can't simulate 50/100 play machines.

I agree with this. Never seen one in a US land casino. And I would be surprised a 50/100 play 8/5 JoB positive got positive often if one did exist.

Quote: tringlomane

I agree with this. Never seen one in a US land casino. And I would be surprised a 50/100 play 8/5 JoB positive got positive often if one did exist.

I agree.

It's almost certain if the have one it's a dealt RF.

I hope he's not attempting this with like 10k or something like that.

No, you can hit the progressiv on all lines:) It just takes about 2 hours to hit the Royal. The game is not in the USA but in Europe.