DRich
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May 4th, 2016 at 6:23:30 AM permalink
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I'm not too convinced a machine's RNG is going 24/7/365. Seems like a hell of a waste of resources for the machine to be doing that. It'd be like a blackjack dealer standing at a dead table, just shuffling the cards over and over again until someone sat down. Makes no sense. It'd make 1000% more sense for the machine to get an RNG right when you hit deal/draw, but not when it's sitting there idle or in between hands.

How often is a machine even being played vs idle? I'd guess it sits completely idle at least 90% of the time.



The RNG is always cycling and the reason is because they don't want people to figure out what would be next. An RNG is just an algorithm so if you know the algorithm the next value is very predictable. By constantly running no one knows where it is at in the cycle.
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RenoGambler
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May 4th, 2016 at 7:26:41 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I'm not too convinced a machine's RNG is going 24/7/365. Seems like a hell of a waste of resources for the machine to be doing that.



I can't imagine an RNG is a big power drain. The big waste of resources is keeping the machine lit up and the screen on all that time. Casinos must run up huge power bills.
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bobbartop
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May 4th, 2016 at 7:37:06 AM permalink
This won't make anyone a fortune, but reading this thread made me think of the one time, only once, that I looked at the IGT slot game Ring 'Em Up on a multi-game machine, and it was in "bonus mode" or turbo mode or whatever it's called. Yep, someone had hit the four bells in a diamond pattern and then either just left the machine or switched to another game. Talk about clueless, or Saturday-night drunk. When the game is in "mode" it makes a distinctive sound, and it took a second for it to register in my brain what I was looking at. I can't say that I will ever see this situation again if I live to be a hundred years old, but maybe it's worth always checking the game when it is in front of you anyway. Heck, what's way more likely is that you find one with a bonus banked that's large enough to be positive EV, but that's pretty rare in itself. Anyway, just sayin. It's possible.
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ThatDonGuy
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May 4th, 2016 at 8:28:33 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

The RNG is always cycling and the reason is because they don't want people to figure out what would be next. An RNG is just an algorithm so if you know the algorithm the next value is very predictable. By constantly running no one knows where it is at in the cycle.


Didn't somebody take a video keno machine for thousands because it would always seed to a particular number when it powered up?

Anyway, an RNG running while idle is not new; if you know what a "bingo pinball" machine is, listen to one someday (there might be one at the Pinball Hall of Fame), even when it has been tilted (most, if not all, of them automatically tilt after a few minutes, presumably to prevent somebody from coming in and buying an extra ball onto the previously played game); you will hear a ticking sound coming from behind the backglass - this is the pre-silicon version of an RNG running (to determine what bonus features would be given when the next game starts) even when the game is idle.

If an RNG only generated numbers when needed, then quite a few slot and VP machines would be much easier to beat, as it was only a matter of time before their patterns were discovered. However, if it was constantly generating, say, 1 million numbers per second, then no one could know when the next number would hit.

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