Ulimate X DW strategy?
Do you have any strategy guides for Deuces Wild Ultimate X strategy? Seeing as all "new" VP variants don't offer full pay I am talking about the 20/10/8/4/4/3/2/1 game. I enjoy playing this at the bartops when they are available. Thank you in advance.
edit: how do you even pronounce your name? I assume it's supposed to rhyme with Yahtzee, like "Di - Jah - Tsee".
super edit: I'll look into it.
DJ ATCQuote: RS0mg djatc ur such a n00b.
edit: how do you even pronounce your name? I assume it's supposed to rhyme with Yahtzee, like "Di - Jah - Tsee".
super edit: I'll look into it.
Quote: RS0mg djatc ur such a n00b.
edit: how do you even pronounce your name? I assume it's supposed to rhyme with Yahtzee, like "Di - Jah - Tsee".
super edit: I'll look into it.
spoken like a noob night elf hunter :)
it is DJ ATC, DJ since I like music a lot so I used to have turntables, and ATC because in another life I was supposed to be an air traffic controller until babs red flagged me in all 52 states so now I AP casinos :(
I did some deuces games as a result. Not 10/8 though; hope you're getting stiff drinks for that paytable! I can try to get to that tomorrow. Also I think south point has full pay UX deuces at the island bar now. As well as 9/6 DDB UX for quarters.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/video-poker/20663-learning-a-new-game-utx-or-qq/
For now though here is "Airport" 15/9/4/4/3 (Full Pay):
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0.24852-d-0.99704-d-1.74555-d-2.74259-d-3.24259-d-3.73962-d-7.48221-d-8.24555-d-13.49407-d-100.99407-d-400.99407/
And "Colorado" 16/13/4/3/2/2:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0.24238-d-0.98476-d-1.72714-d-2.21189-d-2.71189-d-3.69665-d-9.40854-d-8.48476-d-12.98476-d-100.48476-d-400.48476/
Compared to non wild games there typically seems less strategy changes in deuces.
DJ MMDQuote: djatcspoken like a noob night elf hunter :)
it is DJ ATC, DJ since I like music a lot so I used to have turntables, and ATC because in another life I was supposed to be an air traffic controller until babs red flagged me in all 52 states so now I AP casinos :(
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0.24067-d-0.98133-d-1.72200-d-2.70334-d-3.20334-d-3.68467-d-6.88801-d-5.48133-d-10.48133-d-100.48133-d-400.48133/
Major changes from standard 10/8/4/4/3 strategy:
0 Deuces:
A34, A35, A45 suited > inside straight > 2 to a Royal Queen High (2 to a Royal King High unplayable)
1 Deuce:
Pat Flush > 4 to a wild Royal
4 to a SF (0-1 gap) > Straight
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Weak hand order...this wasn't super obvious in terms of difference
WJT > 3 to a SF no gap (67 or higher) > 4 to a Flush > 3 to Wild Royal (K and Q high) > 3 to SF (0-1 gap) (45 to 9J) > 4 to Straight no gaps (7 to Q high) > Wild only
2 Deuces:
Flush > 4 to Wild Royal (Ace high)
4 to SF 0-2 gaps > Wilds only
So strategy changes aren't too significant, imo.
I could probably figure it out myself now that you've kindly spoon-fed us all the exceptions to UXDW, but in case you've already done it: I notice that Wizard's Optimal Strategy UX pages often have exceptions predicated upon the player already having certain multipliers, I suspect that may be the case with some of your hands, but do you know of any for sure?
For instance, if you had 12x multipliers loaded from a previously dealt SF, for example, I should imagine Wild only would be superior to Four-to-a-Straight (No Gaps)...though I could be wrong.
Quote: Mission146Tringlomane,
I could probably figure it out myself now that you've kindly spoon-fed us all the exceptions to UXDW, but in case you've already done it: I notice that Wizard's Optimal Strategy UX pages often have exceptions predicated upon the player already having certain multipliers, I suspect that may be the case with some of your hands, but do you know of any for sure?
For instance, if you had 12x multipliers loaded from a previously dealt SF, for example, I should imagine Wild only would be superior to Four-to-a-Straight (No Gaps)...though I could be wrong.
Unfortunately, JBs method he outlined in that older thread assumes "multiplier independent strategy". So I don't know any multiplier dependent exceptions offhand. In cases where multipliers are highly loaded like you say, then yeah, close plays may change as they are more weighted to playing the current hand optimally.
But you picked a bad example actually...on this version of deuces wild since it's so poor paying (why are you playing this dj??? lol), hands like W789 (1.0000) are significantly better than Wild only (~0.967) in the standard game.
Actually holding W789 is weaker in the UX version of the game than the standard game, but both are still better than Wild only.
Quote: tringlomaneUnfortunately, JBs method he outlined in that older thread assumes "multiplier independent strategy". So I don't know any multiplier dependent exceptions offhand. In cases where multipliers are highly loaded like you say, then yeah, close plays may change as they are more weighted to playing the current hand optimally.
But you picked a bad example actually...on this version of deuces wild since it's so poor paying (why are you playing this dj??? lol), hands like W789 (1.0000) are significantly better than Wild only (~0.967) in the standard game.
Actually holding W789 is weaker in the UX version of the game than the standard game, but both are still better than Wild only.
Its for a play I come across a lot involving shitty pay table games.
Quote: djatcIts for a play I come across a lot involving shitty pay table games.
So a StrictlyAP juicy-level play...haha
Got it.
But the other UX games are worse than the Dueces? Deuces is the "best of the worst" paytable for ultimate x...but a lot of casinos do slip in 7/5 JoB or 7/5 Bonus Deluxe (both better than this return-wise). You like Deuces? Deuces works better for this play somehow? StrictlyAP played deuces a lot too.
Quote: tringlomaneSo a StrictlyAP juicy-level play...haha
Got it.
But the other UX games are worse than the Dueces? Deuces is the "best of the worst" paytable for ultimate x...but a lot of casinos do slip in 7/5 JoB or 7/5 Bonus Deluxe (both better than this return-wise). You like Deuces? Deuces works better for this play somehow? StrictlyAP played deuces a lot too.
not as good as strictlyap I'm guessing. I like deuces because I have the same thought as Bob dancer: if EV is same or very similar I play DW because I love the 4 wild cards.
