Hand Pays

The last Royal I got was on a quarter 8/5 BP game at the Casino Royale bar. $1,000 in credit was applied to my machine. Some stores hand pay on royals of $1,000 I would think. Are there chains that hand pay and chains that don't? Do any casinos hand pay for amounts less than $1,000? Or is it at each casino's discretion? (I think the bar at Casino Royale is now all 7/5 on BP now.)

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The last Royal I got was on a quarter 8/5 BP game at the Casino Royale bar. $1,000 in credit was applied to my machine. Some stores hand pay on royals of $1,000 I would think. Are there chains that hand pay and chains that don't? Do any casinos hand pay for amounts less than $1,000? Or is it at each casino's discretion? (I think the bar at Casino Royale is now all 7/5 on BP now.)

its the casinos discretion. A few places have the same game side by side where one locks up on .25 1000 coins. The other one is set to lock up at 4000 coins. I don't believe there's any thought that was put into this, I think someone made a mistake and mixed up dollar amount VS .25. It's an easy fix, however it has been like that for years.

Some stores, like in Primm area, lock up on $500 wins or something funky. Maybe I'm thinking of a different area, but yeah. Only reasons why I'd think a store would do that are either 1) By error / accident, 2) to generate more tips for slot attendants (doubtful), or 3) to "follow the money" for lowroll joints (big player and needs a host....or a cheater and needs to be looked into....or just sweating the $$).

It just depends on the casino. When I really liked Seneca Niagara, they hand paid any win over $250 or 1000 credits. I think they changed to reduce labor and less noticeably reduce paybacks since people would notice less hand pays consistently occurring.

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think they changed to reduce labor and less noticeably reduce paybacks since people would notice less hand pays consistently occurring.

What is paybacks? Tipping?

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What is paybacks? Tipping?

Payback percentage of the slot machines.

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Do any casinos hand pay for amounts less than $1,000? Or is it at each casino's discretion?

Out here in the hinterlands, I normally see $1200. There's tax papers involved at that point.

Back before the days of TITO*, there was a valid reason to handpay on lower amounts - that size payout would empty the coin hopper. It's far easier to just lock up the machine and have an attendant come around and hand out paper money (also quicker - dispensing 10 pounds of quarters ($200), one at a time... probably takes just shy of 10 minutes - time that you can't be losing money). I can believe that some older machines might not have been updated when converted from coin to TITO.

As for "payback", if someone hands you a stack of money from a win, you may be less likely to keep playing it trying for another win vs if credits are just added to your machine.



*Ticket In, Ticket Out.

Thanks for all the replies. If you cash out of a VP machine for say $1,300 there is no W-2G involved as long as no one play paid in excess of $1,199 right?

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Thanks for all the replies. If you cash out of a VP machine for say $1,300 there is no W-2G involved as long as no one play paid in excess of $1,199 right?

correct

I would be really annoyed with hand pays under the $1200 tax limit. Seems like an excuse for a person to stick their hand out wanting a tip when it's unnecessary.

Do they come with W2G's as well, or just the hand pay? I try not to generate WG2's unnecessarily. Just today my partner hit a straight flush at a $5 machine generating a hand pay and WG2, while he was SUPPOSSED to be playing free play through at $1, which would only generate handpay/WG2 when hitting a Royal. I was furious. He's about to get his ass fired. Lol

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I would be really annoyed with hand pays under the $1200 tax limit. Seems like an excuse for a person to stick their hand out wanting a tip when it's unnecessary.

Do they come with W2G's as well, or just the hand pay? I try not to generate WG2's unnecessarily. Just today my partner hit a straight flush at a $5 machine generating a hand pay and WG2, while he was SUPPOSSED to be playing free play through at $1, which would only generate handpay/WG2 when hitting a Royal. I was furious. He's about to get his ass fired. Lol

Furious...WHY? I thought you mentioned you didn't tip on HP's and it's not BJ related.


If you are filling taxes properly anyway, W2Gs shouldn't matter. His denomination really shouldn't matter other than unnecessary fluctuation (in this case it was positive).

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I would be really annoyed with hand pays under the $1200 tax limit. Seems like an excuse for a person to stick their hand out wanting a tip when it's unnecessary.

Do they come with W2G's as well, or just the hand pay? I try not to generate WG2's unnecessarily. Just today my partner hit a straight flush at a $5 machine generating a hand pay and WG2, while he was SUPPOSSED to be playing free play through at $1, which would only generate handpay/WG2 when hitting a Royal. I was furious. He's about to get his ass fired. Lol

I'll take the $1,250 and the W-2G! (But I wouldn't go gunning for it.)

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Furious...WHY? I thought you mentioned you didn't tip on HP's and it's not BJ related.


If you are filling taxes properly anyway, W2Gs shouldn't matter. His denomination really shouldn't matter other than unnecessary fluctuation (in this case it was positive).

I don't think I said that I don't tip on handpays, because I do tip on handpays. I don't like doing so. I would prefer not to, but I can't take it out on the handpay folks who are doing there job as required by law, so I tip a small amount between .5 and 1%. I only tip $20 on a $4000 which is .5%. I am sorry but the work is the same for the person, gathering ID and getting tax form and paying whether jackpot is $1200 or $4000, why should the tip be different? But I am not about to tip for handpays that are not required by law and just the decision of the casino. :(

I do pay my taxes and you are correct that technically it doesn't matter, but I prefer to generate less paperwork not more. Keep it as simple as possible for the tax guy. Why give him extra paperwork to jack up his bill for services. :) I also prefer to draw as little attention as possible and generating paperwork that just isn't needed flies against that principal.

There is also additional security risks involved. Once at Jerry's Nugget, I literally waited 30 minutes for my handpay, all the time, sitting there with a machine with that corny 'jackpot music playing' and flashing to the world (and all the Jerry's Nugget lowlifes), that I had just won $4000. I don't need that hassle. There is also the possibility of some rouge employee notifying his or her accomplice of your home address, so they can come rob you of those fresh winnings. Remote possibility...yes, but I don't need any extra unnecessary risk, thank you. Lastly, I myself, don't like standing around waiting for the attendant to bring tax form and ID.

I think I saw a $500 VP machine at Aria. Imagine playing for $2,500 a hand and a $2,000,000 jackpot. (Wouldn't tip more than 1K. What would be kind of fun is to get 40 $25 chips and just start handing them out to all the employees in every department. Probably not much fun for the slot attendant though. Of course, once the story got around that I'd won $2,000,000 the magic of the $25 tips all around would be a big thud. Never mind.)

Here is a nice hit on a $5000.00 slot at Aria.

Luck happens

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Here is a nice hit on a $5000.00 slot at Aria.

Luck happens

The fool only played one coin. Just think if he had it loaded. Lol

I don't think you can play more than 1 coin on the super-high denom slots, although I may be mistaken.


For the high denom video poker machines, from what I noticed, whenever a $1200+ payout, the machine would temporarily lock up, the player would type something into screen (likely their card pin #, Social Security #, and probably an "I agree to pay blah blah blah" [like a signature] button)....then keep playing. No slot attendant needed. I assume this is something that must be setup on a machine / player's account prior to play. I assume at the end of the session, the player would request a totalled W2G that would have the sum of all the $1200+ hits they had. So instead of getting 50 W2G's for $1500-$10,000 each....the player would just have one super huge W2G for like $100,000.....or whatever the sum of all their W2G-triggered payouts were.

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I don't think you can play more than 1 coin on the super-high denom slots, although I may be mistaken.


For the high denom video poker machines, from what I noticed, whenever a $1200+ payout, the machine would temporarily lock up, the player would type something into screen (likely their card pin #, Social Security #, and probably an "I agree to pay blah blah blah" [like a signature] button)....then keep playing. No slot attendant needed. I assume this is something that must be setup on a machine / player's account prior to play. I assume at the end of the session, the player would request a totalled W2G that would have the sum of all the $1200+ hits they had. So instead of getting 50 W2G's for $1500-$10,000 each....the player would just have one super huge W2G for like $100,000.....or whatever the sum of all their W2G-triggered payouts were.

I think the 1coin thing was a joke.

They used to just deactivate the hand pay setting and sit behind you on a $100 VP with a clip board and tally up your 3 of a kinds or better while you cruised along.