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DJTeddyBear
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June 11th, 2010 at 10:14:51 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

...and is there a Class I and what is that?

Class I are the old fashined machines that had REAL reels with REAL random mechanical stops. It was AFTER the reels stoped that the machine then figured out if you won or not. You will generally only see Class I machines in museums and display cases. I.E. No casino uses them anymore.

Class II and Class III have random number generators (RNG) and computer controlled stops on the reels. I.E. The computer first decides what to display, then starts the reels spinning, and stops at the predetermined points to display the outcome.

In Class II, the RNG is playing a bingo game, and interprets the outcome of the bingo game to the style of machine you're playing.

In Class III reel machines, the RNG randomly selects the reel stop points based upon a virtual reel system. I.E. There might be 22 symbols on the reel, but up to 256 reel map points. In this manner, the symbols do not appear with equal distribution, and the 'near miss' is designed to appear often.

In Class III card games, the RND does a true shuffle and deals as if they really were cards.
In Class III dice games, the RND does a true random selection as if it really was a roll of the dice.
In Class III roulette games, the RND does a true random selection as if it really was a spin of the wheel.

THEREFORE, only Class III card, dice or roulette games, can the paytable be compared to the actual game odds to determine the house edge on the machine.


Quote: s2dbaker

Everyone loves pie! It's sort of a catch-all/None of the Above/I hate polls but love pie, I put it at the bottom of all polls.

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

FYI: I hate pie, except fur pie.
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dwheatley
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June 11th, 2010 at 1:14:06 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.



I disagree. Many nerds who don't like actual pie like the idea of using pie or saying pie because it sounds like pi. Pie makes an excellent choice.

And if you don't agree, I hope as a consolation prize I take the top spot for dumbest thing you've ever heard.
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konceptum
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June 11th, 2010 at 3:29:46 PM permalink
What if I prefer Pi, to Pie? Shouldn't there then be an additional poll option for Pi?
s2dbaker
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June 11th, 2010 at 11:01:07 PM permalink
Quote: konceptum

What if I prefer Pi, to Pie? Shouldn't there then be an additional poll option for Pi?

Since we seem to spend a lot of effort talking about statistics, then I think Pi would be tangentially appropriate, especially since we talk about wheels a lot, which are round like a pie, the area of which is Pi*r^2*width. I will make the adjustment, but for this forum only.
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DJTeddyBear
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June 12th, 2010 at 7:12:33 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Since we seem to spend a lot of effort talking about statistics, then I think Pi would be tangentially appropriate, especially since we talk about wheels a lot, which are round like a pie, the area of which is Pi*r^2*width. I will make the adjustment, but for this forum only.

Um... Shouldn't that be Pi*r^2 ? Or is that another inside joke that I'm not getting?
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s2dbaker
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June 12th, 2010 at 7:25:10 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Um... Shouldn't that be Pi*r^2 ? Or is that another inside joke that I'm not getting?

Alas, we live in a four dimensional universe but I wasn't going to add time to the formula, that's for another forum entirely.

We seem to have gotten off topic. Is there a Jack's Or Better probability chart for a 5 card stud hand? I think the probabilities would be additive in the case of Upper Hand Poker (assuming that it's a Class III machine). I'm going to play it tonight and report my findings.
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s2dbaker
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June 12th, 2010 at 6:24:09 PM permalink
I just left the casino, I have pictures in my cell phone but it is as suspected, Upper Hand Poker is a Class II machine. I was throwing away winning hands all night long only for it to re-appear in the upper hand. Feh!! Why would they make a machine that simulates a real poker game so closely only to totally not be fair?

This game sUxXx0rZ, thread closed!
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DJTeddyBear
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June 12th, 2010 at 8:44:39 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Why would they make a machine that simulates a real poker game so closely only to totally not be fair?

To suck in the suckers that don't know better.

I would doubt that ANY casino would knowingly have both Class II and Class III machines, so it's a safe bet that all of Yonkers is Class II. My advice is to just avoid the entire casino.
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s2dbaker
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June 12th, 2010 at 9:03:10 PM permalink
They do have what look to be real Jacks or Better video poker machines, complete with lousy 8/4 odds. I think it's unfair to have a Class II game on the floor with Class III game that has virtually the same look and feel. I have written off Yonkers as a complete waste of time. To add insult to insulting injury, I even lost $20 on the ponies.
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