loldongs
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May 9th, 2014 at 1:18:52 AM permalink
hey everyone, long time reader of WoO/WoV, first time poster.

i've been living in vegas for over a year now, and played a few sessions at pretty much half the casinos in VPFree2 or the Vegas Advisor book, so far.

i recently saw a QQ Wheel Poker machine at Eastside Cannery for \$0.05 denom; can't remember the paytables off the top of my head, though. i'll try to remember to make a note of them the next i'm in there to play it.

in any case, how would you calculate the EV for that machine? it's a 7-coin max bet, 3 or 5 hands, and a QQ hand will trigger the wheel bonus.

i've never seen this game anywhere else; i love playing QQ and wheel poker independently already, so this has quickly become one of my new favorites.

tringlomane
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May 9th, 2014 at 2:23:18 AM permalink
To get the EV for the machine exactly, you need to know the weight of the wheel, and it's not equal among all the pieces.

Maybe JB can explain this weighting of this game further, since it is included in the "video poker analyzer".

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/

And it is a rare game in Nevada, only 11 machines left. I've personally seen it at Mirage in February.

JB
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May 9th, 2014 at 5:08:50 AM permalink
As mentioned, you can use the video poker analyzer to determine the return of a particular game/paytable. Also, a natural Four of a Kind will trigger the wheel as well; it need not necessarily be a Quick Quad type of hand.

The average wheel spin is worth 50860/323 ≈ 157.46 credits.
AxiomOfChoice
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May 9th, 2014 at 10:44:58 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

To get the EV for the machine exactly, you need to know the weight of the wheel, and it's not equal among all the pieces.

Maybe JB can explain this weighting of this game further, since it is included in the "video poker analyzer".

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/

And it is a rare game in Nevada, only 11 machines left. I've personally seen it at Mirage in February.

Is this accurate? I played it at NYNY a couple of months ago and I'm pretty sure that there was more than 1 machine.
loldongs
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March 1st, 2017 at 8:26:24 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

And it is a rare game in Nevada, only 11 machines left. I've personally seen it at Mirage in February.

it certainly is rare -- eastside cannery removed their sole machine, and the only other place i've seen it is at silverton, or south point.

ellis island removed their quick quads upright machines, and sam's town took one off the end of the bank by dunkin donuts and replaced with with an ultimate x machine...

WHERE IS THE QUICK QUADS HIDING?!!
loldongs
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March 1st, 2017 at 8:26:58 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Is this accurate? I played it at NYNY a couple of months ago and I'm pretty sure that there was more than 1 machine.

what were the paytables at NYNY? probably pretty dismal...
MaxPen
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March 3rd, 2017 at 8:27:25 AM permalink
At the Trop
billryan
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March 3rd, 2017 at 9:44:27 AM permalink
If I've had a good day playing NSUD, I often throw \$50 in the South Point machines. It's fun machine, especially when it hits.
At SP, there are two machines.
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loldongs
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March 8th, 2017 at 6:38:58 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

At the Trop

word? what's the paytables like?
tringlomane
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March 8th, 2017 at 9:46:51 PM permalink
Quote: loldongs

it certainly is rare -- eastside cannery removed their sole machine, and the only other place i've seen it is at silverton, or south point.

ellis island removed their quick quads upright machines, and sam's town took one off the end of the bank by dunkin donuts and replaced with with an ultimate x machine...

WHERE IS THE QUICK QUADS HIDING?!!

Mirage should still have its Wheel QQ machine. MGM has a 50 play quick quad for nickels with 7/5 Bonus. I like to play that one while being cheap, you can bet as little as one line.
loldongs
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May 5th, 2019 at 3:40:16 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Mirage should still have its Wheel QQ machine. MGM has a 50 play quick quad for nickels with 7/5 Bonus. I like to play that one while being cheap, you can bet as little as one line.

anyone know if this is still at MGM in vegas?
tringlomane