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May 2nd, 2014 at 9:37:10 AM permalink
I downloaded and (in some cases paid for strategy corrections....EEK stupid) on like 6 or 7 video poker apps over the last 4 months. Finally stumbled upon the wizard's app and my mind was blown. Pretty much the last video poker trainer/game analyzation tool you need, that's all I can say. The value on this thing is light years ahead of a lot of crap out there marketed to non gamblers looking for a video game.



One final disclaimer: I've heard winpoker is decent too, but never tried it . Heard it offers games like ultimate X and super times pay. That wouldn't interest me much as those games are simply variations on the same ol games. Does winpoker also offer detailed risk of ruin/standard deviation analysis of your chosen pay table? If not have to say Shackleford's product is the clear victor. If it does, have to call it a near tie (the winner being determined by whoever includes more games, although Shackleford's product includes more than enough games to whet my appetite). I ve never tried winpoker though so can't really say. Will be purchasing winpoker in the nearby future.

One final final disclaimer: I'm in no way, shape, or creatively conceivable form associated with Michael Shackleford or any of his interests.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 10:41:54 AM permalink
Thank you for the kind words!
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May 2nd, 2014 at 10:52:34 AM permalink
WinPoker does not offer games like Ultimate X or Spin Poker, just standard 5-card draw games like VP Wizard does. WinPoker offers a more casino-like experience in terms of being able to select a denomination and insert fake money, as well as being able to play 1, 3, 5, or 10 hands at a time (and I think the iPad can play more than 10 hands).

The Wizard's app does have more games than WinPoker, and analyzing a game/paytable is also a bit faster.

I've been very fortunate that no changes have been needed to be made to the VP Wizard app, because my Mac dropped dead last year and I haven't bought a new one yet.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 11:25:04 AM permalink
Is this a mobile app (iOS/Android) or an online/download kind of thing?
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May 2nd, 2014 at 12:15:25 PM permalink
Quote: TerribleTom

Is this a mobile app (iOS/Android) or an online/download kind of thing?



Apple app store. No android version.
I asked the Wiz last year about an android version and his response - not enough sales thru apple app store to justify developing an android version.

Be careful using it in a casino.
Just listened to lawyer Bob Nersesian on "gambling with an edge" radio show.
His opnion is dont use it in a casino, use a strategy sheet. All electronic devices cannot be used to help you gamble, its illegal.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 12:49:55 PM permalink
Android now has a far bigger market share than iOS and a far, far higher growth rate, as well. Maybe it made sense 3 years ago to have an iOS-only app but nowadays Android is the dominant platform.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 12:59:31 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Android now has a far bigger market share than iOS and a far, far higher growth rate, as well. Maybe it made sense 3 years ago to have an iOS-only app but nowadays Android is the dominant platform.



While that is true, aren't Android users far less likely to purchase apps?
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May 2nd, 2014 at 1:15:32 PM permalink
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While that is true, aren't Android users far less likely to purchase apps?



I really dont think so. The google android app store is very similar the Apple app store.
I have downloaded tons of apps and games to my Samsung Galaxy tab 2 10.1 tablet.
If I had an Ipad, I would probabbly download all the same games and apps.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 1:32:14 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I really dont think so. The google android app store is very similar the Apple app store.
I have downloaded tons of apps and games to my Samsung Galaxt tab 2 10.1 tablet.
If I had an Ipad, I would probabbly download all the same games and apps.



I have heard this over and over again. I don't particularly care so I haven't bothered to look up numbers, but I've heard them quoted before.

This isn't a comment on the store; it may just be self-selection bias. Apple products are grossly overpriced; people who buy them are less likely to be frugal, IMO.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 1:40:09 PM permalink
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May 2nd, 2014 at 1:56:34 PM permalink
Where can I find an app for ultimate x I'm sure I am making tons of costly errors
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May 2nd, 2014 at 2:24:18 PM permalink
The most costly of which is to play it in the first place, unless vulturing.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 2:28:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I have heard this over and over again. I don't particularly care so I haven't bothered to look up numbers, but I've heard them quoted before.

This isn't a comment on the store; it may just be self-selection bias. Apple products are grossly overpriced; people who buy them are less likely to be frugal, IMO.



I would not be surprised if that is true. My wife has iPhone + iPad and I know she's paid for a few apps.

I'm on my fourth Android and I don't think I've ever paid for an app.
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May 2nd, 2014 at 4:51:41 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Apple app store. No android version.
I asked the Wiz last year about an android version and his response - not enough sales thru apple app store to justify developing an android version.


Actually, I have an alpha version of an Android VP strategy app on my phone. (Right now, all it does is tell you what to discard in 9/6 JoB.)

One problem with Android is, you don't have as much control over where to place/size buttons as you do in iOS. iOS apps are meant to run on specific devices with specific screen sizes, whereas Android apps are pretty much expected to run on anything.

Quote: terapined

Be careful using it in a casino.
Just listened to lawyer Bob Nersesian on "gambling with an edge" radio show.
His opnion is dont use it in a casino, use a strategy sheet. All electronic devices cannot be used to help you gamble, its illegal.


It is - Nevada Revised Statue 465.075 says:
Quote:

It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate, including, without limitation, a device that:
1.  Projects the outcome of the game;
2.  Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;
3.  Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
4.  Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,

except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.


Nevada Gaming Regulation 5.150 allows for three exceptions:
Quote:

(a) Make and refer to handwritten records of the cards played at baccarat;
(b) Make and refer to handwritten records of roulette results; or
(c) Refer to records of the cards played at faro, where the records are made by the licensee in the manner traditional to that game.

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May 2nd, 2014 at 7:00:25 PM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

Where can I find an app for ultimate x I'm sure I am making tons of costly errors



Are you playing the game beyond vulturing?

Vulturing just requires a normal strategy calculator.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Actually, I have an alpha version of an Android VP strategy app on my phone. (Right now, all it does is tell you what to discard in 9/6 JoB.)

One problem with Android is, you don't have as much control over where to place/size buttons as you do in iOS. iOS apps are meant to run on specific devices with specific screen sizes, whereas Android apps are pretty much expected to run on anything.


It is - Nevada Revised Statue 465.075 says:

Quote:

It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate, including, without limitation, a device that:
1.  Projects the outcome of the game;
2.  Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;
3.  Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
4.  Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,

except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.




Fwiw, using these apps is technically illegal in most states. I have yet to hear anyone being prosecuted for it though.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 3:33:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I have heard this over and over again. I don't particularly care so I haven't bothered to look up numbers, but I've heard them quoted before.

This isn't a comment on the store; it may just be self-selection bias. Apple products are grossly overpriced; people who buy them are less likely to be frugal, IMO.

I just bought an iPod Touch on eBay for $143.50. It's basically the same as the iPhone without the phone function. I got it exclusively so I could get apps that you can't get on Android, like Uber and Wiz Poker. I'm very pleased with it so far. (I'm not an Apple guy historically).

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You are so cheap, lol :)
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May 3rd, 2014 at 8:12:28 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Apple app store. No android version.
I asked the Wiz last year about an android version and his response - not enough sales thru apple app store to justify developing an android version.

Be careful using it in a casino.
Just listened to lawyer Bob Nersesian on "gambling with an edge" radio show.
His opnion is dont use it in a casino, use a strategy sheet. All electronic devices cannot be used to help you gamble, its illegal.




Did he mean it's literally illegal to use it anywhere on casino property?

Will you get into legal trouble if you re using it 5 feet away from a machine? If yes, what if you use it in the rest room?

Either way I doubt a casino would ever give a crap about it....unless you hit a jackpot. Then they might spot an opportunity to turn your session into a casino freeroll.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 8:30:52 AM permalink
Quote: Swanson234

Did he mean it's literally illegal to use it anywhere in a casino, even in the parking lot?


In Nevada, it probably depends on what the term "in a licensed gaming establishment" means.

Meanwhile, I have what appears to be an APK of my app, but I don't know if it's installable "as is" or not.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 8:32:47 AM permalink
Quote: Swanson234

Did he mean it's literally illegal to use it anywhere in a casino, even in the parking lot?

Will you get into legal trouble if you re using it 5 feet away from a machine? If yes, what if you use it in the rest room?

Either way I doubt a casino would ever give a crap about it....unless you hit a jackpot and they spot an opportunity to have made your entire session a casino freeroll.



Listen to the show. Its a good show.
The Conversation went something like this.
Dancer brought up the subject of using a video poker strategy app.
Bob N said the law is clear and don't use it while playing.
Its a computer, the law is clear.
use a strategy sheet, they are perfectly legal.
Dancer said what if you have a strategy sheet displayed on an ipad.
Bob N - its a computer, illegal
Dancer said some games are very complicated and would make a small strategy sheet impractical. Would need many pages.
Bob N stuck to his guns and said don't use one. The law is clear.

It all went something like that then they moved on to another subject.
Interesting enough you would think a lawyer going on a radio show would appreciate the perk of getting more business due to radio exposure.
Bob N said don't call him if you have a case, he is way too busy with too many cases.
Then he said he would help by referring to a good lawyer, but he really cant take any cases right now.
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June 24th, 2015 at 4:57:23 PM permalink
This app is 100% what I am looking for. Is there anything like it for droid. If not, damn it wizard get working on one.
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June 24th, 2015 at 6:39:55 PM permalink
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This app is 100% what I am looking for. Is there anything like it for droid. If not, damn it wizard get working on one.



I'm afraid there is not. Revenue from the iPhone app was never enough to justify the expense of making a droid version.
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June 24th, 2015 at 6:56:47 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

This app is 100% what I am looking for. Is there anything like it for droid. If not, damn it wizard get working on one.


I was working on one, sort of (it doesn't have quite the functionality, but it does let you enter games not already in the system, provided it uses just the normal 52-card deck), but I put it on the back burner when I heard about Video Poker Expert (I assume it's the one from Bierman Studios - available from Google Play).
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June 24th, 2015 at 7:01:15 PM permalink
The thing I like about the Wizards is it gives you the theo return based on the errors you made. I have been playing a ton of practice and just would like to see what my errors are doing to my ev. There are a couple consistent errors that I make but the software I am using shows that the error is like ev of 2.79 compared to the correct play at 2.806 on $1 credits.
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June 24th, 2015 at 7:10:28 PM permalink
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I'm afraid there is not. Revenue from the iPhone app was never enough to justify the expense of making a droid version.



Any idea what the oldest version of a apple item in could buy that may be cheap to only use it for this?
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June 24th, 2015 at 10:07:08 PM permalink
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Any idea what the oldest version of a apple item in could buy that may be cheap to only use it for this?



I used to use it on an iPhone 4 (not 4s) 8gb, and it ran fine. It actually did better on that compared to my iPhone 6. I'm pretty sure an iPod touch 4th gen would work exactly the same.
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June 24th, 2015 at 10:45:28 PM permalink
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I'm afraid there is not. Revenue from the iPhone app was never enough to justify the expense of making a droid version.


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June 25th, 2015 at 7:21:25 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

The thing I like about the Wizards is it gives you the theo return based on the errors you made. I have been playing a ton of practice and just would like to see what my errors are doing to my ev. There are a couple consistent errors that I make but the software I am using shows that the error is like ev of 2.79 compared to the correct play at 2.806 on $1 credits.


The one I was working on didn't actually play VP - it just lets you enter a hand and tells you (a) which cards to hold and (b) what the expected return is. It can also calculate the overall ER based on the game and pay table.

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I was working on one, sort of (it doesn't have quite the functionality, but it does let you enter games not already in the system, provided it uses just the normal 52-card deck)


Well, um, actually, er, uh, if you want to get pedantic about it, that's not quite true - while it's possible for it to handle any single-hand game with a 52-card deck that's played normally (i.e. dealt five cards, draw 0-5 of them - it can't do Pick'em Poker, for example), right now it's limited to JoB, BP, DDB/TDB, and Deuces Wild. Any other game would require calculating the mapping of the 134,459 unique hands to the pay table. For example, the hand of four 4s and the 2 of hearts maps to "four of a kind" (JoB), "four 2-4s" (BP), "four 2-4s & A-4" (DDB), or "five of a kind" (DW).
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June 25th, 2015 at 10:49:27 AM permalink
The app I have been wanting to write for years but haven't found the time is a VP hand analyzer where you just take a picture of the screen and it gives you the best hold. Obviously it would have to be a game where the paytable is visible on the screen (most IGT games). I don't think it could be monetized very well but I have never done character and pattern recognition on a phone and thought it would be a fun project.
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June 25th, 2015 at 11:54:55 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

The app I have been wanting to write for years but haven't found the time is a VP hand analyzer where you just take a picture of the screen and it gives you the best hold. Obviously it would have to be a game where the paytable is visible on the screen (most IGT games). I don't think it could be monetized very well but I have never done character and pattern recognition on a phone and thought it would be a fun project.



that would be a neat app but would be problematic for the no electronic help laws.

I always wondered how much money it could possibly take to create an app. I have seen the wizard mention a few times that the android version would cost to much. I assume in the wizards case his time is worth a lot and the time spent making this app isnt worth his time. I see people on shark tank quite often needing investors for their app. Is it really that costly to create?
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June 25th, 2015 at 12:27:38 PM permalink
The problem with Android is the wide variety of device specs. Testing across a large number of different devices is costly. Writing the app itself, especially with a simple UI like a VP game, isn't that hard. All the logic code (which in this case is the hard part) should be readily portable.
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June 25th, 2015 at 12:29:54 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I always wondered how much money it could possibly take to create an app. I have seen the wizard mention a few times that the android version would cost to much. I assume in the wizards case his time is worth a lot and the time spent making this app isnt worth his time. I see people on shark tank quite often needing investors for their app. Is it really that costly to create?


It depends on a few things - mainly, (a) iOS or Android, and (b) how much time do you want to work on it?

Ignoring the "cost" of your time, while you can do it without owning the device(s) in question, you will soon find that debugging the app is much faster with an actual device than with an emulator - especially on the Android side.

As for the development software, with Android, it's free. Technically, XCode (for iOS) is free as well, but if you want to publish the app, you have to go through Apple's developer program, which costs $99/year. Remember that while you can download Android apps from a number of places, you can only download iOS apps from iTunes. (I am under the impression that this is intentional on Apple's part - they say that it prevents things like the "porn store" that exists for Android, but I have a feeling it's more along of the lines of preventing Skype-style apps that let you use the phone without having to pay for phone service.)

Also, most professional apps require more than one person - for example, the coders aren't usually the ones that design the graphics. On top of that, you will probably need beta testers, which usually means paying for beta testers.
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June 25th, 2015 at 1:21:31 PM permalink
I remember posting a question years ago asking for an android version
I think the Wiz response was something to the effect that apple sales numbers dissapointing so why bother with android
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June 25th, 2015 at 2:18:54 PM permalink
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I remember posting a question years ago asking for an android version
I think the Wiz response was something to the effect that apple sales numbers dissapointing so why bother with android



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June 26th, 2015 at 5:47:11 AM permalink
what is the name of the IPhone app? Is there a PC version too?
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June 26th, 2015 at 6:32:32 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

The app I have been wanting to write for years but haven't found the time is a VP hand analyzer where you just take a picture of the screen and it gives you the best hold. Obviously it would have to be a game where the paytable is visible on the screen (most IGT games). I don't think it could be monetized very well but I have never done character and pattern recognition on a phone and thought it would be a fun project.

I think that would be very useful for analyzing a game payback percentage, I would buy it if you could add many of the new bonus type games. I don't need an app to tell me, "6/5 stay away you idiot."

I think a better more practical (for the user) A hand analyzer app with voice recognition and speech capabilities(not sure if you could just integrate that with another text to speech program) . Something that would simply look like you were making a phone call.

Simply say the name of the game(or it automatically remembers the last picture you took), then the read the hand from the screen. It tells you via voice what to hold.

It would be really awesome if you could verbally edit pay tables. Manually editing pay tables is a bitch on the program I use. "Royal flush 9800 coins" "Straight flush 347 coins "

Again, the casino wouldn't have a clue you were using a VP program.
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June 26th, 2015 at 6:41:25 AM permalink
I've got the app. I use it playing online vp.
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June 26th, 2015 at 8:26:24 AM permalink
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what is the name of the IPhone app? Is there a PC version too?


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August 1st, 2015 at 9:15:50 PM permalink
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Video Poker Wizard



Thanks for the link. I'm an android only user. I haven't used an apple product since the apple 2e in grade school...

That being said though, ouch $10? I think this would be more appealing to a wider audience at a much lower price point. For $10, mobile game users expect high definition graphics, responsive player-controlled action or depictions of naked women. (I am semi-joking about the last point). I have paid $7 for well known mobile ports of PC/console games like Minecraft and Final Fantasy 3 and $5 for Terraria. But even other major games like Plants vs Zombies (which is pretty much available on every platform though they have the backing/funding from a major player in the video game industry) is only $1.

Think of it from the Walmart strategy of pricing. You've already spent the time/money to develop it and bring it to market. Getting 10 people to buy it for $10 each is the profit equivalent of getting 20 to buy it at $5, 50 to buy it at $2 or 100 to buy it at $1. People are more willing to take a chance throwing away $1 on something even if it might turn out to be junk because hey, it's only $1.

Speaking to the point about Android users not paying for apps, I do have a long history of free game and app downloads but that's because they're so plentiful. I do spend the money when I think it's warranted. You need to garner more reviews to entice people to throw a couple of bucks at it. A bit more publicity and attention on the product would help, too.
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August 1st, 2015 at 11:13:22 PM permalink
Quote: Chereya

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Video Poker Wizard



Thanks for the link. I'm an android only user. I haven't used an apple product since the apple 2e in grade school...

That being said though, ouch $10? I think this would be more appealing to a wider audience at a much lower price point. For $10, mobile game users expect high definition graphics, responsive player-controlled action or depictions of naked women. (I am semi-joking about the last point). I have paid $7 for well known mobile ports of PC/console games like Minecraft and Final Fantasy 3 and $5 for Terraria. But even other major games like Plants vs Zombies (which is pretty much available on every platform though they have the backing/funding from a major player in the video game industry) is only $1.

Think of it from the Walmart strategy of pricing. You've already spent the time/money to develop it and bring it to market. Getting 10 people to buy it for $10 each is the profit equivalent of getting 20 to buy it at $5, 50 to buy it at $2 or 100 to buy it at $1. People are more willing to take a chance throwing away $1 on something even if it might turn out to be junk because hey, it's only $1.

Speaking to the point about Android users not paying for apps, I do have a long history of free game and app downloads but that's because they're so plentiful. I do spend the money when I think it's warranted. You need to garner more reviews to entice people to throw a couple of bucks at it. A bit more publicity and attention on the product would help, too.



Your points are well taken, but the people using this app (I would think) will get their $10 worth in about 10 minutes of better EV, and then it's theirs forever. And if you want it to be nimble and quick, graphics are kind of wasted; let it crunch the numbers well and fast, and who cares how pretty it is? You're just using more memory to drive fancy graphics you don't need. It's an app, not a game. And, (speculating), if everybody had it, the casinos would just lower the paytables, right? A little exclusivity through the price point doesn't hurt.
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August 2nd, 2015 at 12:00:34 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Your points are well taken, but the people using this app (I would think) will get their $10 worth in about 10 minutes of better EV, and then it's theirs forever. And if you want it to be nimble and quick, graphics are kind of wasted; let it crunch the numbers well and fast, and who cares how pretty it is? You're just using more memory to drive fancy graphics you don't need. It's an app, not a game. And, (speculating), if everybody had it, the casinos would just lower the paytables, right? A little exclusivity through the price point doesn't hurt.



The description of graphics and touch response were not specifically meant towards the Wizard's VP app but to describe what "bells and whistles" an average person browsing the App store, not an APer, would expect to get for spending $10. My husband works in video games and we do a fair amount of talking shop at home. :)

I've only piped up in this thread because I have never played VP and I was looking into threads to better inform myself. Aha, an app (or to an average person browsing an App store, a VP Game) would be a perfect, no risk, no apprehension way to learn and get comfortable with the process at home. I can't do that because I'm an android user. I'm not a APer who would go out of my way to purchase an apple product just to purchase and use this app. ;) I'm sure for those people who did that or are considering doing that, it would pay off for them in the usefulness of the app translating to real-world application in the casino with real money.

I guess it just isn't computing for me. Tthe Wizard has stated he won't be porting it to Android because the profit margin from iOS hasn't justified the additional effort for Android but your speculation is that this app is meant to stay on the down low so as to not bring attention to the casinos who do not wish the general audience of VPers to get better/wiser at playing? Was this just a labor of love? I always assumed that a developer who put an app up for sale, wants to sell it to many people and make money from doing so :) If meant to stay exclusive to the select group of people who identify as AP and would make the most use of it, why have it publicly available on the App store at all? He could go the complete opposite direction of the Walmart approach and give it a luxury price point with invitation only access. Luxury objects or experiences with large price tags and exclusivity drive up the perceived desirability to be one of the lucky few who have it.

I checked the Amazon App store and there are 2 VP games that are ripping off the Wizard's VP App with "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" icons. Just as a FYI.
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August 2nd, 2015 at 5:02:38 AM permalink
10 bucks is reasonable. This app is intended for a small audience (those that care to do it right). Most casino goers wouldn't use it if it were free. Walk through any casino and see which machines are being used. Anyway, thanks for the app Wiz, it's paid for itself many times over.
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June 11th, 2016 at 1:40:46 PM permalink
I loved this app until the past half a year. It was well worth the $10 and I would recommend it but I'm having problems now. The app immediately crashes upon clicking the icon to open it. Any reccommendations?
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June 11th, 2016 at 2:01:41 PM permalink
Delete and re download
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June 11th, 2016 at 3:42:24 PM permalink
Yes I was thinking that but didn't want to because I assumed I'd wind up in a position where I'd have to purchase it again. Will try. Thank you.
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June 11th, 2016 at 3:47:55 PM permalink
Shit! Horrible advice WON! Now it says I have to buy it again. Yes, it's only $10, but it's the principle. You don't pay for something you already own/paid for.

Lol if that was some kind of joke, you definitely got me.
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June 11th, 2016 at 4:25:56 PM permalink
I don't know how apple works but with droid if you delete a paid app you can go back to the app store under history and redownload it.
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June 11th, 2016 at 5:23:58 PM permalink
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I don't know how apple works but with droid if you delete a paid app you can go back to the app store under history and redownload it.

I have never had a problem as long as you are logged onto your google or apple account it should reload for free.
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June 11th, 2016 at 6:00:35 PM permalink
Horrible advice? I have an iPhone and a droid I delete and reinstall all the time and have NEVER PAID a second time
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June 11th, 2016 at 8:14:14 PM permalink
It's totally worth the 10$
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June 12th, 2016 at 12:46:19 AM permalink
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Horrible advice? I have an iPhone and a droid I delete and reinstall all the time and have NEVER PAID a second time



Sorry, didn't mean to come across as rude. I might not pay a second time though. But looks like if I want the app, I better buck up. I don't know what went wrong here. And sorry if the horrible advice comment came across sour. I've deleted and downloaded apps again too. Something is amiss.
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