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February 16th, 2014 at 12:13:52 AM permalink
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February 16th, 2014 at 3:50:46 AM permalink
Nice photos, thanks. I'll keep and eye out for the game here in Vegas and try to analyze it when I can. I've got a lot on my plate right now. Perhaps another one of the mathematicians on the forum will take a crack at it meanwhile.
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endermike
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February 16th, 2014 at 7:43:33 AM permalink
Wow, so it is like ultimate X but for multiple hands? cool.

Do the multipliers add or multiply? So if on hand 1 I am dealt three of a kind and on hand 2 I am dealt a flush, what is my multiplier on hand 3?
Transcend
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February 16th, 2014 at 7:52:24 AM permalink
Multipliers are added so say if it is the BPD then you start with a 1x multiplier, then the second hand a 4x, and third a 6x, fourth a 5x, and fifth a 2x multiplier. If you look in any of the photos the bottom half displays the multiplier added to each hand, what hand and what the multiplier is for that hand.

I am going to check it out further today because I may need to add one multiplier to each because I am unsure if it adds it to the base of 1x, if so the multipliers would all be greater by 1x except the third which would become a 7x and automatically bump up to a 10x.
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February 16th, 2014 at 9:18:20 AM permalink
Quote: Transcend

I am going to check it out further today because I may need to add one multiplier to each because I am unsure if it adds it to the base of 1x, if so the multipliers would all be greater by 1x except the third which would become a 7x and automatically bump up to a 10x.

I analyzed the Jacks or Better paytable assuming that the multiplier starts at 1x, and once you have added 6x in multipliers, it bumps the game to 10x.

The long term return of the game is 98.73%.

The part that I'm having a problem with is that the first 3 games have significantly lower returns if you walk up to a machine that has no multipliers. For instance, the first game you play always has a multiplier of 1, but you are paying 2 credits, so your return is half of normal. Assuming that you can drop your bet down to 5 credits to play off the existing multipliers, this would be the right way to end your session in order to balance out the loss on the first 3 hands.

edit: BPD pays 98.83%, TDB pays 98.49%
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Transcend
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February 16th, 2014 at 1:21:47 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

I analyzed the Jacks or Better paytable assuming that the multiplier starts at 1x, and once you have added 6x in multipliers, it bumps the game to 10x.

The long term return of the game is 98.73%.

The part that I'm having a problem with is that the first 3 games have significantly lower returns if you walk up to a machine that has no multipliers. For instance, the first game you play always has a multiplier of 1, but you are paying 2 credits, so your return is half of normal. Assuming that you can drop your bet down to 5 credits to play off the existing multipliers, this would be the right way to end your session in order to balance out the loss on the first 3 hands.

edit: BPD pays 98.83%, TDB pays 98.49%

Multipliers disappear I believe and do not stay like Ultimate X. You can drop your bet down but I do not know if that allows you to use the multiplier, it states max bet for the feature and if I recall correctly if you don't have max bet, the multipliers disappear and a sign comes over it that says something along the lines of bet max to enable feature.
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May 29th, 2014 at 9:45:40 AM permalink
I found a few of these on a casino visit last month. I couldn't remember the name of the game, but I stumbled upon this thread and it refreshed my memory. I was actually able to "vulture" left over multipliers on one (to no avail, of course). However, while trying to vulture another, I discovered the multipliers do disappear when you change games (e.g. from JoB to TDB). :(

What struck me was that this machine also offered a Deuces Wild game, but, IIRC, the multipliers would be bumped when I was dealt both paying hands and non-paying (DW) hands such as 2 pair, and 1 pair JoB. I wish I had checked the pay/multiplier table out for DW, but I didn't. The visit was a side trip during a business trip, so it will be several months until I go back to this particular casino to check it out.

Anyone get a chance to analyze the other games on Multi Streak Poker?

Also, since you are paying double the units to use the multiplier, is vulturing a 2X multiplier +EV, or does it have to be 3X or greater?

BTW, I'm no AP -- this was my first vulturing attempt after learning about the concept here a few months ago.
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May 29th, 2014 at 10:23:54 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

I found a few of these on a casino visit last month. I couldn't remember the name of the game, but I stumbled upon this thread and it refreshed my memory. I was actually able to "vulture" left over multipliers on one (to no avail, of course). However, while trying to vulture another, I discovered the multipliers do disappear when you change games (e.g. from JoB to TDB). :(

What struck me was that this machine also offered a Deuces Wild game, but, IIRC, the multipliers would be bumped when I was dealt both paying hands and non-paying (DW) hands such as 2 pair, and 1 pair JoB. I wish I had checked the pay/multiplier table out for DW, but I didn't. The visit was a side trip during a business trip, so it will be several months until I go back to this particular casino to check it out.

Anyone get a chance to analyze the other games on Multi Streak Poker?

Also, since you are paying double the units to use the multiplier, is vulturing a 2X multiplier +EV, or does it have to be 3X or greater?

BTW, I'm no AP -- this was my first vulturing attempt after learning about the concept here a few months ago.

If you look at the pictures in the beginning, they give multipliers for a dealt pair of 6s-10s in non-wild games too, which are also non-winners without improvement. They are just trying to up the frequency of the multiplier being awarded.

And are you sure you have to pay 10 coins a hand to get the benefit of the multiplier? ;)

Also great work Crystal Math! 8/6 BPD at 98.83% is the best game they offer on this. I'm really hating IGT forbidding 99%+ VP on their newer games.

http://media.igt.com/marketing/PromotionalLiterature/GamePromoLit_1FE90-16A36.pdf
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May 29th, 2014 at 10:53:16 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

And are you sure you have to pay 10 coins a hand to get the benefit of the multiplier? ;)

Pretty sure. I think it breaks down to 5 per hand x 3 hands + 15 to activate the multiplier feature. But it was late in the evening, and a beverage or two may have been involved. ;)

Quote: Transcend

if you don't have max bet, the multipliers disappear and a sign comes over it that says something along the lines of bet max to enable feature.

From what I recall, Transcend speaks the truth.

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Also great work Crystal Math!

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May 29th, 2014 at 11:03:25 AM permalink
Well, from what I recall, you didn't need to bet the bonus to take multipliers left behind. The "max bet to enable feature" sign that Transcend initially described will start appearing for "future hands" when you don't bet the bonus, but you don't really care about those if you immediately quit the game when you "play off" all the multipliers.
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May 29th, 2014 at 11:08:32 AM permalink
BTW,

Quote: Transcend

I... would very much appreciate any help figuring out... the variance I can expect.

My non-mathematical analysis of a microscopically small sample size, has shown the variance to be, in technical terms: Kray-Zee.

I sat with \$100 on a \$.25 machine and ran it up to \$400 before losing it all in about 45 min. The next session, I ran \$100 up to \$400 again, but this time cashed out about \$280 in about the same time frame. Fool me once... :)

Nothing like these swings has happened in the hours I've logged on the WoO DW game.
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May 29th, 2014 at 11:12:04 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Well, from what I recall, you didn't need to bet the bonus to take multipliers left behind. The "max bet to enable feature" sign that Transcend initially described will start appearing for "future hands" when you don't bet the bonus, but you don't really care about those if you immediately quit the game when you "play off" all the multipliers.

I just tested this on videopoker.com, and you are correct.
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May 29th, 2014 at 12:57:32 PM permalink
I vaguely recall seeing something very much like this at the GN, but I can't say where exactly it was (and that casino sprawls through much of the ground floor).
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May 29th, 2014 at 1:01:32 PM permalink
I've also seen it at Harrah's LV just in case the Wizard has the spare time to work up a page on it.

http://www.totalrewards.com/SlotFinder.do?action=slotGroupDetails&groupName=Multi-Streak%20Poker
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June 18th, 2014 at 3:30:16 PM permalink
It also recently appeared on Videopoker.com
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September 20th, 2014 at 10:57:05 AM permalink
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September 20th, 2014 at 11:23:16 AM permalink
Multi-Streak is a good game for wonging, if the stakes are significant enough or there are several machines in the casino being played. You will always play the next triple play hand with a 90+% advantage.

The unplayed multipliers will always appear on TOP of the screen, where it says NEXT 3 GAMES. Bet 15 credits (NOT 15+15), and the multipliers will tumble down to the bottom right of the screen.

Here's a recent jackpot of mine from vulturing high-limit Multi-Streak Poker at an East Coast casino.

In this example, the previous player left about \$60 in equity on this machine. I put a \$31 voucher in, got lucky and hit a handpay.
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September 20th, 2014 at 11:59:13 AM permalink
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September 20th, 2014 at 2:03:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I think I just got screwed on one. It was a 3x on DDB and I was dealt trip tens. None improved but only got the 15 credits per hand instead of 45 per hand.

And the 3X was initially shown at the top of the screen before you played?

I have found \$1 multipliers on this game before...but no dice on quads there. :( Can't wait for that day...a Royal would even be better. :p Best credit hit from this game (or Ultimate X) so far... :-\ Just held one deuce though... :)

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September 20th, 2014 at 2:17:42 PM permalink
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September 20th, 2014 at 10:06:29 PM permalink
I've never seen these in Las Vegas, no one bother to check they don't exist.......

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