Vulturing 'Ultimate X'
Quote: sammydvAnother simplistic question concerning vultching. I'm going soon to some casinos and was wondering about a play on a vultch scenario. My deal after attempting the JB vultch is complete junk. Not even 3 suits together, no pairs and no face showing. Should I throw all 5 in and try a full re-deal? It seems sort self explanatory, but perhaps others experience would say otherwise.
Thanks for any input.
You use conventional strategy for the given game and pay table.
give us an example and then explain why you think you should would do anything diffrent. If you cant explain why then you have your answer and won be tempted to do anything other than make the right hold.Quote: sammydvAnother simplistic question concerning vultching. I'm going soon to some casinos and was wondering about a play on a vultch scenario. My deal after attempting the JB vultch is complete junk. Not even 3 suits together, no pairs and no face showing. Should I throw all 5 in and try a full re-deal? It seems sort self explanatory, but perhaps others experience would say otherwise.
Thanks for any input.
thanks.
Quote: sammydvIt would be the worst hand I can think of for playing Mult-JB...maybe 2h 5d 8d 10c 6s. The only thing I can see is a inside and outside straight re-deal with 2 cards. That to me is very low odds in the first place. I had been wondering if because it would be a multi payout, would people look at it differently. You know, take chances they wouldn't take with a normal machine. I wouldn't take that straight attempt deal in the first place but does the multi force a change of strategy with crap hands? Is there a general consensus that throwing in all 5 is the lowest of all odds, regardless of the machine?
thanks.
Again, you follow CONVENTIONAL STRATEGY when vulturing. The above hand on JoB would get tossed. This isn't that difficult.
Second machine I didn't realize the denom was so high and immediately lost $25 on one hand.
I'll be trying vultch for the first time in a short while.
With smart phones so prevalent, I guess casinos aren't all that concerned with people doing screen shots.
Quote: gamerfreakI tried this for the first time a few weeks ago. First machine I immediately won $5.
Second machine I didn't realize the denom was so high and immediately lost $25 on one hand.
try $1 denom 10play. that's $50 per spin. (and only a single 2x multipler to boot).
yup.. whiffed.
-$100 for that day
Quote: 100xOddstry $1 denom 10play. that's $50 per spin. (and only a single 2x multipler to boot).
yup.. whiffed.
-$100 for that day
those ones are painful. I hate running across those, even though the ev is still 105% ish
Quote: 100xOdds-$100 for that day
You are free to look at it from the other perspective: ev was close to +$10 for just a few extra minutes at the casino.
Quote: 100xOddstry $1 denom 10play. that's $50 per spin. (and only a single 2x multipler to boot).
yup.. whiffed.
-$100 for that day
The member who started this thread deserves to have negative variance for life ;)
Quote: RogerKintThe member who started this thread deserves to have negative variance for life ;)
Ouch...lol
Quote: tringlomaneOuch...lol
I said negative variance not tringlomane variance. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!
Quote: RogerKintI said negative variance not tringlomane variance. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!
Lol. +1
ie: 44499
I know if im playing regular 7/5 ddb, I break it for a chance of special quads with kicker.
but if I'm playing 10coins, do I keep the full house for the 12x multipliers next hand?
Quote: 100xOdds7/5 ddb: if im NOT vulturing and get a dealt full house with the possibility of special quads, do I break it and just keep the 3 of a kind?
ie: 44499
I know if im playing regular 7/5 ddb, I break it for a chance of special quads with kicker.
but if I'm playing 10coins, do I keep the full house for the 12x multipliers next hand?
you do not break up a dealt full house in Ultimate X.... even if it's As full. That's half your jackpot right there.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI don't understand how the next hand multipliers disappeared without playing. Saw about 4 at ten play dollars, got scared, checked all others and never found the multipliers. They were there I swear.
Were the multipliers in fairly large font at the same level of the cards? or where they in small font in the upper left hand corner of each row of cards?
It was typical as expected, that's why I was so confused. Felt like there had to be the multipliers still there stealthily somehow, but just couldn't see them. I was sure I was still in the ultimate x tab. Yes when I first sat there, the multipliers were there in the normal font saying next hand and not the large multiplier symbol after a hand was played but a multiplier wasn't earned for the next hand. I wanted to play the next hand immediately when I saw them, but as it turned out, my ticket was short of 10x5, so I thought to search $. 50 denomination hoping cheaper plays' winnings would pay the difference. The only thing I can possibly guess happened was the machine had a demo screen or something. I don't drink, have no hallucinations, but this drove me crazy like the mystery it is. I try thinking about it, but, can't think of the explanation. ????Quote: rsactuaryWere the multipliers in fairly large font at the same level of the cards? or where they in small font in the upper left hand corner of each row of cards?
Quote: rsactuaryyou do not break up a dealt full house in Ultimate X.... even if it's As full. That's half your jackpot right there.
At 8/5 and 7/5 DDB, you're told to break Aces full at Ultimate X with multiplier independent strategy.
8/5 and 7/5 DDB Ultimate X Strategy
Quote: tringlomaneAt 8/5 and 7/5 DDB, you're told to break Aces full at Ultimate X with multiplier independent strategy.
8/5 and 7/5 DDB Ultimate X Strategy
That surprises me because I would think the large multiplier for the full house would indicate keeping it.
It was my last tab to check too. I didn't think I was going to find anything this morning. Nice surprise.
Quote: bobbartopSome people are so nice to leave multipliers on the DOLLAR tab.
It was my last tab to check too. I didn't think I was going to find anything this morning. Nice surprise.
I believe dollar players are more likely to leave multipliers. Sadly, there are far too few dollar players.
Quote: DRichI believe dollar players are more likely to leave multipliers. Sadly, there are far too few dollar players.
I find just the opposite. The 5-cent players always leave stuff, especially on DDB.
I still think there's a case for better shopping on Monday mornings. Perhaps more dollar players play on Sunday night only. You may have something there.
Quote: DRichI believe dollar players are more likely to leave multipliers. Sadly, there are far too few dollar players.
I think what often happens is that a player will leave it set on dollars on a machine that doesn't automatically switch the denomination back (many default to a certain denomination) after a certain period of inactivity and then someone who doesn't necessarily want to play dollars will just stick $100 in and go not realizing until after the first play. Either that, or a player will select dollars not realizing that it is a $30 total bet (on Three-Play) as soon as they see how much they have bet, they are glad to just have gotten something back and will switch games without playing off the multipliers. I've witnessed both of these happen more than once.
Quote: Mission146I think what often happens is that a player will leave it set on dollars on a machine that doesn't automatically switch the denomination back (many default to a certain denomination) after a certain period of inactivity and then someone who doesn't necessarily want to play dollars will just stick $100 in and go not realizing until after the first play. Either that, or a player will select dollars not realizing that it is a $30 total bet (on Three-Play) as soon as they see how much they have bet, they are glad to just have gotten something back and will switch games without playing off the multipliers. I've witnessed both of these happen more than once.
Rather disappointed in my casino pass-through of upper Michigan Indian casinos. Kewadin and Ojibwa in Christmas and Marquette and not a single Multiplay card game at all. Older video poker with multi GAMES. On my last ten bucks of my bank, got lucky and found some 9 line .25 triple jackpot thing and won over 275.00 in 20 minutes. I left 245 up. Too bad it was at the close up time and was stopped by personal.
These particular Indian casinos seem to load a whole side with multi denomination penny slots. Also saw 3 games with buffalo's running around, called buffalo gold or something that stretched across 20 feet of wall. While they weren't linked by progression, the screens worked together.
They were fairly small buildings and I covered all floor space looking for the multi's. Kind of bummed.
Quote: tringlomaneAt 8/5 and 7/5 DDB, you're told to break Aces full at Ultimate X with multiplier independent strategy.
8/5 and 7/5 DDB Ultimate X Strategy
Where does it say that it's Ultimate X strategy? Looks like it's just regular DDB strategy.
Regardless, I see all kinds of players including many regulars leave plays regularly regardless of the denomination they prefer to play.
Amazingly long thread here, but no surprise as there are thousands of UXP AP players out there.
Thankfully, the machines remain extremely popular and the casinos tolerate the AP players for now.
Sorry Axel. I wasn't going to try for that fifth 7 on this hand. :-)
Btw, did notice a five card hold someone ended with yesterday on ten handed nickels. 234J5. At least it wasn't a vulture with a bad strategy like I've seen. Some really poor stupid people just really waste those multipliers playing 1 coin with terrible play. They are just super degenerate losers and I hate them. One guy I would want to knock his front test put but they're already gone.
P....y!Quote: IbeatyouracesIt's nice when you pop a bill in and this is the first hand your dealt for the day.
Sorry Axel. I wasn't going to try for that fifth 7 on this hand. :-)
Quote: AxelWolfP....y!
What's that old saying...you are what you eat. :-)~
good one. So all Miata driver are D***S?Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat's that old saying...you are what you eat. :-)~
Quote: AxelWolfgood one. So all Miata driver are D***S?
One of my high school history teachers had one. Nobody would've called him one!
Quote: rsactuaryQuote: tringlomaneAt 8/5 and 7/5 DDB, you're told to break Aces full at Ultimate X with multiplier independent strategy.
8/5 and 7/5 DDB Ultimate X Strategy
Where does it say that it's Ultimate X strategy? Looks like it's just regular DDB strategy.
Look at the payouts though. They are all over the place. Even losing hands are non-zero.
It's a method that JB outlined to calculate Ultimate X strategies via his calculator.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/video-poker/20663-learning-a-new-game-utx-or-qq/
Last time at the casino, I just missed the worm and most things were checked. But I had a quarter player leave this behind and I got lucky at the last minute.
And a 5x on all hands, dealt triple jacks:
Quote: RS
Got em!!
Quote: sammydvWhere do they hide them. Last casino I hit was Greek town. Looked all over. Are they in the high rollers area?
The bars all have them. 2 in the VP room, 1 in high limit and 7 others near the non smoking section.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe bars all have them. 2 in the VP room, 1 in high limit and 7 others near the non smoking section.
That's the problem now a days with you young whippersnappers...
I'll post some pics later of some UX's I vultured.
And before Axel pipes in, YES YOU HAD ACTION.
Thanks.
Can you openly take a phone pic standing at a machine?
Never had a problem anywhere else with taking pictures of pay tables or winning VP screens.
