mickeycrimm
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:14:59 PM permalink
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And a 10% meter on Tens or better?? Wow. Do you remember the base payout and/or paytable?



It was a Two Pair pays even money game, with the Full House paying 9 for one, and the flush paying 6 for one. It was a 90.8% base game with a 10% meter. There was also a dollar Big Bertha Tens or Better game with the same payscale and 10% meter. Tuna Lund and his crew would lock it up when they caught a playable number.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:17:29 PM permalink
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It was a quarter Two Pair pays even money game, with the Full House paying 9 for one, and the flush paying 6 for one. It was a 90.8% base game with a 10% meter. There was also a dollar Big Bertha Tens or Better game with the same payscale and 10% meter. Tuna Lund and his crew would lock it up when they caught a playable number.



P.S. The quarter Tens or Better bank also got locked up by a team when they caught a playable number.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:24:21 PM permalink
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For JoB roughly ~ (39999/40000)^160,000 = 1.83%. Short-coiners will increase this a bit though, but also more aggressive royal chasers will also lower it.?



Thanks for the math lesson. I always wondered how it was done.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:36:37 PM permalink
Wow at the 10% meter. They probably had similar setups on slots also.

Mickey, did you often play multi-way progressives? (I hope that's the correct terminology.) I like games with good meter movement on the straight flush because it's an attainable goal, and players don't notice the straight flush progressive, so they're less likely to swarm the game when it goes positive.
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January 16th, 2014 at 12:51:55 AM permalink
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Wow at the 10% meter. Mickey, did you often play multi-way progressives? (I hope that's the correct terminology.) I like games with good meter movement on the straight flush because it's an attainable goal, and players don't notice the straight flush progressive, so they're less likely to swarm the game when it goes positive.



Oh, yes. A classic example was the 7/5 Bonus Poker game on the backside of the bar, down at the Western, on 9th and Fremont in downtown Las Vegas. Five meters running on the royal, straight flush, 4 Aces, small quads, and the generic quads. All running at 0.5%. I keyed off any meter. There were so many short coiner's in that joint, buying rolls of quarters and short coining to get the free beer, that I could literally key off of any meter that put the game in a positive situation.

I quit going to the Western because it was like extracting myself out of a war zone. Even though I was a street tramp at one time down there it wound up that I was the class gambler. Try to get up the street with the money. It just don't happen. The Western was thug central. It got to where the only way I could leave the joint was in a cab. Try to call a cab from the Western. You might be sitting there for four hours. The Las Vegas cabs never liked picking someone up at the Western. They didn't figure you for much. They'd rather have an airport ride.

One time after hitting a progressive royal I had all these thugs on my ass, waiting to see if I would walk up the street. I told the cab company that the first driver down there would get a $100 tip, and I told the phony ass security guard that he would also get a $100 tip. That's what it took for me to extricate myself out of that place.
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January 16th, 2014 at 12:56:05 AM permalink
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Oh, yes. A classic example was the 7/5 Bonus Poker game on the backside of the bar, down at the Western, on 9th and Fremont in downtown Las Vegas. Five meters running on the royal, straight flush, 4 Aces, small quads, and the generic quads. All running at 0.5%. I keyed off any meter. There were so many short coiner's in that joint, buying rolls of quarters and short coining to get the free beer, that I could literally key off of any meter that put the game in a positive situation.

I quit going to the Western because it was like extracting myself out of a war zone. Even though I was a street tramp at one time down there it wound up that I was the class gambler. Try to get up the street with the money. It just don't happen. The Western was thug central. It got to where the only way I could leave the joint was in a cab. Try to call a cab from the Western. You might be sitting there for four hours. The Las Vegas cabs never liked picking someone up at the Western. They didn't figure you for much. They'd rather have an airport ride.

One time after hitting a progressive royal I had all these thugs on my ass, waiting to see if I would walk up the street. I told the cab company that the first driver down there would get a $100 tip, and I told the phony ass security guard that he would also get a $100 tip. That's what it took for me to extricate myself out of that place.



Never been to the Western but people say that about El Cortez today, and EC ain't that bad. I can imagine how bad the Western was if you are telling this story.
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January 16th, 2014 at 10:24:48 AM permalink
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I can imagine how bad the Western was if you are telling this story.



It was in the middle of the night. The daytime wasn't so bad.
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January 16th, 2014 at 10:55:43 AM permalink
I don't know if it was always this way at the Western, but at the end all cashouts were handpays. You would see people cashing out 25 cents and having to wait for an attendant.
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January 16th, 2014 at 11:27:20 AM permalink
I only dared visit the Western during the day. This is from a few months before the conclusion:



It wasn't as horrible as I expected, although I didn't overstay my welcome. I thought the lack of carpet was an interesting strategy. I suspect other properties would be somewhat less stinky without an absorbent surface.

Here's how I imagined the casino at night:

"Scientists tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed of 120 feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a helicopter."

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