Double Bonus strategy
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Quote: teddysThe traditional strategy offered by the Wizard is actually very close to optimal, only a few hundredths of a percent off. Maybe 100.15%.
I love Double Bonus, go play at the 4 Queens, Vegas downtown, on the wall next to Magnolias Restaurant.
Last time I was there which was last month, I estimated a return of 100.30 % due to the progressive.
I plan on hitting up these machines when I go back to Vegas in several weeks.
I also like to practice, its alot different then JOB because optimal strategy has you going for alot more flushes.
The machines at Main Street Station return about 100.60% with the scratch cards. Unfortunately, they cut the cash back on your points card (not that it was that much to begin with).Quote: terapinedI love Double Bonus, go play at the 4 Queens, Vegas downtown, on the wall next to Magnolias Restaurant.
Last time I was there which was last month, I estimated a return of 100.30 % due to the progressive.
I plan on hitting up these machines when I go back to Vegas in several weeks.
I also like to practice, its alot different then JOB because optimal strategy has you going for alot more flushes.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe royal was just a bit over $1300 when I was there in October. How much was it when you were there?
It was around $1150.
I also like to play at the bar right next to freemont street.
They have an interesting JOB game with an interesting progressive. The JOB at the bar pays around 98% but the interesting thing is they have a different progressive amount for each suited Royal. I've seen a progressive for a certain suited Royal as high as 2100.00 which was a couple years ago. Of course you have to average the 4 progressive amounts to see if it overcomes the 2 per cent edge. Last time I was there, I averaged the 4 progressive amounts and it only brought it up to about 98.5 percent. The 2 wild at the bar also has a progressive, when I was there, the 2 wild with a progressive paid about 99 percent.
and str8'sQuote: terapinedI love Double Bonus, go play at the 4 Queens, Vegas downtown, on the wall next to Magnolias Restaurant.
Last time I was there which was last month, I estimated a return of 100.30 % due to the progressive.
I plan on hitting up these machines when I go back to Vegas in several weeks.
I also like to practice, its alot different then JOB because optimal strategy has you going for alot more flushes.
I know they have had the scratch cards for a long time. if i can remember right they are worth 1 or 2 bucks each. do have a good estimate what each scratchier is worth?Quote: teddysThe machines at Main Street Station return about 100.60% with the scratch cards. Unfortunately, they cut the cash back on your points card (not that it was that much to begin with).
Quote: AxelWolfI know they have had the scratch cards for a long time. if i can remember right they are worth 1 or 2 bucks each. do have a good estimate what each scratchier is worth?
I think the minimum is $2 on quarter games. But from what I read from others on scratchoffs, I doubt the average value is much higher than $2.50. Almost everyone gets $2. It's enough of a boost for you to break Aces up at 10/7 DB quarters though.
I played more DB than I care to this weekend in Tunica. The game I like to play the most changed the paytables around and now DB is easily the best variant. Drew to a few wheels this weekend and broke high pair for 3 to a Royal once...didn't get there. :-\
I put it at $2.25. That's a generous estimate. It's probably more like $2.10. I don't think I've ever gotten more than $2.Quote: tringlomaneI think the minimum is $2 on quarter games. But from what I read from others on scratchoffs, I doubt the average value is much higher than $2.50. Almost everyone gets $2.
I did not know that. I did not consider that there would be any strategy changes.Quote:It's enough of a boost for you to break Aces up at 10/7 DB quarters though.
Quote: teddysI put it at $2.25. That's a generous estimate. It's probably more like $2.10. I don't think I've ever gotten more than $2. I did not know that. I did not consider that there would be any strategy changes.
Yeah. A bet equals $1.25 below.
w/o scratchoff:
2 pair: 1.765957 bets
Keep AA only: 1.763491 bets
with $2 bonus for quads (1.6 extra bets for quads):
AA only: 1.767931 bets
2 pair: 1.765957 bets
What about slots?Quote: tringlomaneAny natural four of a kind max betting quarters or higher video poker awards a scratch off of at least $2. So that boosts the returns of quarter games nearly 0.5%.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat about slots?
300 credit win at quarters or higher I think, not positive on that though.
Quote: terapinedIt was around $1150.
I also like to play at the bar right next to freemont street.
They have an interesting JOB game with an interesting progressive. The JOB at the bar pays around 98% but the interesting thing is they have a different progressive amount for each suited Royal. I've seen a progressive for a certain suited Royal as high as 2100.00 which was a couple years ago. Of course you have to average the 4 progressive amounts to see if it overcomes the 2 per cent edge. Last time I was there, I averaged the 4 progressive amounts and it only brought it up to about 98.5 percent. The 2 wild at the bar also has a progressive, when I was there, the 2 wild with a progressive paid about 99 percent.
I think it was about 2006 that 4 Queens linked all the progressives in the bartops together. Even the ones in that Cigar Bar or whatever it is. The best game was 9/6 Double Double Bonus with five meters running at .25% each. The thing I really noticed was how much short coin action the game was getting. It was a great time to play the game when the place was busy. The short coiners drove the meters up but didn't qualify for anything. It was a big help.
Also curious, if you get a royal, what are the odds of it being sequential?
Quote: mickeycrimmI think it was about 2006 that 4 Queens linked all the progressives in the bartops together. Even the ones in that Cigar Bar or whatever it is. The best game was 9/6 Double Double Bonus with five meters running at .25% each. The thing I really noticed was how much short coin action the game was getting. It was a great time to play the game when the place was busy. The short coiners drove the meters up but didn't qualify for anything. It was a big help.
Shortcoiners are a big help for sure. I saw two 100%+ progressives in Tunica this year mainly thanks to short-coiners (98.86% DDW w/0.5% meter and 99.54% JoB w/0.25% meter). I didn't pick them off though. :(
Quote: terapinedI just stopped by my local casino here, Seminole Hard Rock Tampa. Played some video poker JOB 8/5 wich is 97.3, but it also paid a jackpot of 50000 coins or 12.5K for a sequential Royal. Anybody know what the figure is to add to 97.3 to get the correct higher percentage. Probably not much, sequential royal so rare.
Also curious, if you get a royal, what are the odds of it being sequential?
If it is one-way, then it adds about 0.25%, if it is "reversible" it's about 0.5%.
And one-way, roughly 1 in 120 royals (~1 in 4.8 million), two-way, roughly 1 in 60 royals (~1 in 2.4 million).
Quote: terapinedI just stopped by my local casino here, Seminole Hard Rock Tampa. Played some video poker JOB 8/5 wich is 97.3, but it also paid a jackpot of 50000 coins or 12.5K for a sequential Royal. Anybody know what the figure is to add to 97.3 to get the correct higher percentage. Probably not much, sequential royal so rare.
Also curious, if you get a royal, what are the odds of it being sequential?
I pulled one sequential out of 13 royals. The added advantage doesn't seem worth it since it doesn't come up that often. When I hit it everyone around me told me I should have been playing on a sequential machine..... even the change girl.
Quote: AxelWolfya I don't understand why Every local casino doesn't have them on just about all the machines.
I agree with you. It will drag in the suckers quite well.
In 92 I worked with, and was casual friends with a bartender, who hit 2 $1 Sequential's for 50k each, in a very short period of time, 2 to 3 weeks. He gained quite the popularity, Lot's of dates all of a sudden. He very quickly moved up to Casino beverage manager.Quote: tringlomaneI agree with you. It will drag in the suckers quite well.
I would run in to him at bars and casinos over the course of the next few years, I'd gab a drink or two with him, everything seemed fine. One year later I seen him playing nickels at the Palace Station. He looked so terrible, I almost didn't recognize him. After talking with him, he said, he was broke and he just lost his 3rd bar tending job in a row, from some of the worst bars in town.
