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August 2nd, 2013 at 10:18:46 PM permalink
HI,
I am BRAND new to this site and I just have a question(aside from posting this post in a different thread cos I was lost)
I don't understand the return rate?
Wizard says in Jacks or Better, the return rate is 99%+

what's the mean? Does it mean if I follow the guide I wil win 99% of the time?

Why dont I just go sit i in front of a Jacks or better machine then?

Thanks
Doc
Joined: Feb 27, 2010
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August 2nd, 2013 at 10:45:18 PM permalink
Short answer: If you play that game perfectly, then in the long run you will get back (have them "return") more than 99% of the money that you wager; i.e., not that you will win 99% of the time but that you will lose less than 1% of the total amount that you have played.

Remember two things:
(1) You can go completely broke before winning that jackpot that should help even things out a little "in the long run."
(2) The total amount that you have "played" can be a lot more than the cash that you put in the slot, if you keep pushing the button and play with your (temporary) winnings, so don't go thinking that putting in \$100 suggests you will lose less than \$1 during that session.
djatc
Joined: Jan 15, 2013
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August 3rd, 2013 at 1:14:46 AM permalink
One thing I said to myself when I first played FPDW (100.76%) "why am I not making money it's a positive game" but then the return is top heavy on the royal flush. If you take that out and don't hit your big hands along the way it can be a pain. Variance can be a bitch, read teddys's signature sometime.

Run a simulator and see what the return is on a JoB machine paying 99.54%. By the time you run a million hands it should start to even out as each hand averaging a 0.46% loss. In your first thousand hands or so if you run good then you'll love the game because it makes you money. Run bad and you'll swear the game is rigged. Anything can happen in the short term. You're basically getting slot machine returns until a royal comes.
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Venthus
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August 4th, 2013 at 12:25:16 AM permalink
Another personal take: I was playing nickel DW today and came out up about 150\$ after an hour, courtesy of dealt 4xDeuces and 2xRoyal w/2s on a triple-hand machine.

My main regret was dropping from quarters 20 minutes prior after a 100\$ beating...
odiousgambit
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August 4th, 2013 at 2:42:30 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Remember two things

Make it three:

(3) Although it never happens exactly like this [study about expected value if you need to], after you put \$100 through, you are down to \$99 in theory. Now you have to put money into your bankroll. If you don't, here's the sequence as you keep playing:

98.01
97.03
96.06
95.1
94.15
93.21

etc. Bear in mind keeping it at 99% takes skill and error-free play.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
FleaStiff
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:59:24 PM permalink
Is return rate affected by denomination?

If the rules and pay tables are the same.... does denomination make one whit of difference in Video Poker?

"... have only hit two royal flushes in the twelve years I've been gambling. Both were while playing nickels. Just once, I'd love to win on a quarter (the denomination I most often play) or dollar machine. If four to the royal was worth something, I'd be a millionaire. "

Is there any difference at all between nickels, quarters and dollar machines in VP?
I know it makes a difference in Non-VP slot machines.

ON-EDIT: Quoted portion is from VegasJuhl blog who apparently has been gambling for twelve years but hit her two Royal Flushes while playing nickel machines. Her latest blog entries have been a series of lifetime goals... the latest of which is: Hit a Royal while playing Quarter or better slots.
AxelWolf
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:09:31 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Is return rate affected by denomination?

If the rules and pay tables are the same.... does denomination make one whit of difference in Video Poker?

"... have only hit two royal flushes in the twelve years I've been gambling. Both were while playing nickels. Just once, I'd love to win on a quarter (the denomination I most often play) or dollar machine. If four to the royal was worth something, I'd be a millionaire. "

Is there any difference at all between nickels, quarters and dollar machines in VP?
I know it makes a difference in Non-VP slot machines.

No it shouldn't. How many hands have you played in 12 year's? How often do you play per week and how many hours? Single line?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mustangsally
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November 8th, 2013 at 10:21:36 AM permalink
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silly

hope this helps out
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tringlomane
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November 8th, 2013 at 11:22:33 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

ON-EDIT: Quoted portion is from VegasJuhl blog who apparently has been gambling for twelve years but hit her two Royal Flushes while playing nickel machines. Her latest blog entries have been a series of lifetime goals... the latest of which is: Hit a Royal while playing Quarter or better slots.

I can outdo her. 2 of my 3 royals are on pennies (the one in Vegas was dealt though so it acted like 6 penny royals with a 6 line bet) and the other was on a 2 cent machine. I mostly play nickels now since I love STP and paytables generally blow, but will play some quarters if I want to hit some coin in on 99%+ machines... My ex-fiancee on the other hand probably hasn't played 1000 hands of video poker in her life and she got a quarter royal sitting next to me...grrrr I have been hoping for a quarter royal for 12 years too on and off. Not sure how many hands I've played at quarters, but 40,000 may not be a terrible estimate.
mustangsally
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