RogerKint
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May 28th, 2013 at 8:56:54 PM permalink
When "wonging" these, I've wondered how many multipliers would be needed to make playing 10 coins better than playing 5.
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tringlomane
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May 28th, 2013 at 9:04:38 PM permalink
If you are wonging the game, virtually any multiplier makes a 5 coin bet +EV. Any additional wagers loses EV. The only time a 10 coin bet is better I think is if there are no multipliers on the machine.
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May 28th, 2013 at 9:39:11 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I'd also be interested in seeing this as well as it is best paying version I can play for 60c a round at my local casino...lol However, if I had to conjecture, deuces wild may deviate the least from standard strategy. The biggest adjustment may be to be more aggressive on straight flush draws than normal.


I looked at the strategy a long time ago. One of the things I remember with the 1-2-3-4-4-9-15-25-200-800 paytable was that you should hold a deuce with 3 suited cards (4 to a wild flush) where you would normally hold only the deuce, although I don't recall if you should do that all the time or with a certain minimum average multiplier.
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May 28th, 2013 at 9:59:13 PM permalink
Quote: JB

I looked at the strategy a long time ago. One of the things I remember with the 1-2-3-4-4-9-15-25-200-800 paytable was that you should hold a deuce with 3 suited cards (4 to a wild flush) where you would normally hold only the deuce, although I don't recall if you should do that all the time or with a certain minimum average multiplier.



Yeah, that doesn't shock me either since one deuce only looks to be only ~5% better than four to a wild flush in standard "Airport Deuces", so getting a 5X multiplier for a flush would definitely outweigh that difference. Now if the flush only paid 2 for 1 as per "Colorado Deuces", I would assume deuce only becomes superior as now deuce only is closer to a ~30% better hold than 4 to a wild flush before factoring in future multipliers.
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May 28th, 2013 at 10:13:26 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

If you are wonging the game, virtually any multiplier makes a 5 coin bet +EV. Any additional wagers loses EV. The only time a 10 coin bet is better I think is if there are no multipliers on the machine.



I'm not familiar with wonging these games but if you see a multiplier on a machine, you don't need to bet 10 coins to take advantage of the multiplier?
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May 28th, 2013 at 10:19:26 PM permalink
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I'm not familiar with wonging these games but if you see a multiplier on a machine, you don't need to bet 10 coins to take advantage of the multiplier?



Right, if there is any multiplier on the machine the best short-term play is to play 5 coins and immediately quit. If there are no multipliers on the machine then betting 10 is slightly better.
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May 29th, 2013 at 1:04:54 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

I'm not familiar with wonging these games but if you see a multiplier on a machine, you don't need to bet 10 coins to take advantage of the multiplier?


The player who last played the machine paid for the multiplier(s) on the current hand, so they apply to the current round even if you bet less than 10 coins per hand.

The "worst best-case scenario" is an Ultimate X machine where one hand has a 2x multiplier and all the other hands have no multiplier. In such a scenario, playing 5 coins per hand will have a player advantage as long as the 5-coin return is at least:

3-play: 75%
5-play: 83.3333...%
10-play: 90.9090...%

So for all intents and purposes, if you spot a vacant Ultimate X machine where at least one hand has a multiplier, it is always to your advantage to play one round at 5 coins and then quit. Even a 10-play machine with a rotten 94% paytable where one hand has a 2x multiplier and the other hands have no multiplier has a 3.4% player advantage for that one round.
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May 29th, 2013 at 1:08:48 AM permalink
It's too bad I can't find Ultimate X machines off of VPfree2. Sounds like a great play every once in a while if I'm walking around.
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May 29th, 2013 at 5:47:36 AM permalink
My best Ultimate X wonging opportunity was when Parx Casino first introduced table games. I just finished a session at a 6D S17 DAS LS table where the shoe was dealt down to the last 1/4 deck (!) when I found a $1 10-Play DDB machine with 12X multipliers on all hands! My first thought was $480K one time!

$50, one shot pull and I see three Aces roll across the screen. Seconds later, a handpay of $11,460.

I'll leave you with the exercise of figuring out what hands I hit and what the (lousy) paytable was.
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May 29th, 2013 at 8:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: chaunceyb3

My best Ultimate X wonging opportunity was when Parx Casino first introduced table games. I just finished a session at a 6D S17 DAS LS table where the shoe was dealt down to the last 1/4 deck (!) when I found a $1 10-Play DDB machine with 12X multipliers on all hands! My first thought was $480K one time!

$50, one shot pull and I see three Aces roll across the screen. Seconds later, a handpay of $11,460.

I'll leave you with the exercise of figuring out what hands I hit and what the (lousy) paytable was.



That is an awesome story. Don't know DDB pay schedules well but the worst schedule with a 12x is good enough to play anytime!
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