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Mission146
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September 8th, 2021 at 6:54:14 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You are supposed to win at poker? Why at the end of the year then are over 90% of poker players in the hole

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    EvenBob makes an excellent point. Aside from a few weird outliers (Fee/Ante Blackjack) poker is the one game where the casino takes some amount of all monies bet regardless of the result.
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    September 8th, 2021 at 8:14:17 AM permalink
    I think this might be the reason most people gamble.

    “A dollar won is twice as sweet as a dollar earned.”- Paul Newman (The Hustler)
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    September 8th, 2021 at 8:56:14 AM permalink
    Quote: DJTeddybear

    I gamble for entertainment.

    Not just the usual way people say that their bankroll could easily be an entertainment budget, but it just fascinates and entertains me to watch other gamblers with their odd habits and superstitions. Plus there’s the social aspect.

    It makes me wonder why people play slots, mindlessly, for hours on end.

    But I also gamble to exercise the brain muscle. It’s a thinking game if you play right.




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    People are trying to derive satisfaction and validation through "beating the odds".

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    I'm a recreational player.

    It's the anticipation. The dice are shaking. The cards are dealt, but not revealed. The wheel is spinning. The reels are in motion.

    What's going to happen next?

    DJTeddybear, that's why people play the slots. Each push of the button is a little shot of "I might be a winner!" Sit at a high limit WoF with enough money for 10 spins. Each push is one HUGE shot of "This might be the one!" And when that SPIN symbol hits, and the fake crowd shouts "WHEEL. OF. FORTUNE!", well, it doesn't matter what you get, you're spinning that sucker again, even after the hand pay.
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    September 8th, 2021 at 9:02:18 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Aside from a few weird outliers (Fee/Ante Blackjack) poker is the one game where the casino takes some amount of all monies bet regardless of the result.

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    Parimutuel racing is another example where the house always wins.

    A poker tourney with a guarantee that fails to meet its minimum is the reverse - the house losing regardless of the final outcome.


    But that Paul Newman quote does say it all.

    A dollar won IS twice as sweet …
    I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ ————————————————————————————————————— Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
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    September 8th, 2021 at 9:08:50 AM permalink
    I believe that there are in general two types of gamblers. That peoples' brains are wired in two distinctly different ways that determines what kind of gambling they prefer.

    Some people prefer table games, where the anticipation is built up as the bet is placed and the dice are rolled, the cards are dealt, the wheel is spun - and then the tension is released as the outcome of the roll, hand, or spin is revealed. There is an ebb and flow of tension and release which table game players enjoy.

    Slots enthusiasts do not play for a rise and fall in tension, rather - just keep hitting that button / (formerly, pulling that lever) until they zone out - achieve a comfortably numb high. A true slots addict doesn't even get that excited when he hits a jackpot, it just becomes part of the continued high that he experiences throughout the session. An example would be Allan, the gambling addict from Theroux's documentary - he hits a $5000. jackpot and just makes a face at Theroux, mentions that he just won five thousand dollars, and goes on with his play.

    There are some that derive pleasure from both slots and table games (Allan would be one example), but for the most part, depending on how your brain is wired, you are going to gravitate towards one or the other.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
    Mission146
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    September 8th, 2021 at 10:03:45 AM permalink
    Slots are intentionally designed to build moments of anticipation, sometimes in stupid ways.

    One example is that the reels might slow down and make a big production out of trying to hit a third, "Free Games," symbol if you have already hit two of them. Slots will also make a big production (which is annoying, to me) out of trying to hit other things, such as the, 'Link,' type games where you need a certain number of reel spots with the symbols containing credit amounts or progressives.

    These things annoy me, of course, because I am generally only playing if I perceive myself as being expected to profit. Therefore, I would prefer that it just spin as fast as it possibly could...but some of them do these stupid little gimmick things.

    If what you are proposing was 100% true, then they would never have moved on from single-line games and concepts such as, "Free Games," wouldn't have been created in the first place. There'd never be a reason to break up the button pressing at all.
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    September 8th, 2021 at 11:03:30 AM permalink
    Unless you are a poker sharp or have somehow been able to count cards for blackjack under the radar…everyone gambles for entertainment. They may not want to admit that, but that’s simply ego. No one wants to be thought of as one of the schnooks in the casino…even though they are.
    EvenBob
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    September 8th, 2021 at 11:06:35 AM permalink
    Quote: FatGeezus



    “A dollar won is twice as sweet as a dollar earned.”- Paul Newman (The Hustler)



  • I don't know how sweet it is, but a dollar won is twice as easy as a dollar earned. It's not as valuable in my head though. Easy come easy go definitely applies to gambling winnings for most people. Money is only worth, to you, as much work as you put into getting it. That's why my wife can win $300 on a slot machine and sit there and play till it's all gone. It's not real to her, she did nothing to get it.
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    Mission146
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    September 8th, 2021 at 11:18:12 AM permalink
    Quote: TDVegas

    Unless you are a poker sharp or have somehow been able to count cards for blackjack under the radar…everyone gambles for entertainment. They may not want to admit that, but that’s simply ego. No one wants to be thought of as one of the schnooks in the casino…even though they are.

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    What? Are you saying that there are only two forms of advantage play? Poker or card counting blackjack?
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    TDVegas
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    September 8th, 2021 at 11:25:24 AM permalink
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    Quote: TDVegas

    Unless you are a poker sharp or have somehow been able to count cards for blackjack under the radar…everyone gambles for entertainment. They may not want to admit that, but that’s simply ego. No one wants to be thought of as one of the schnooks in the casino…even though they are.

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    What? Are you saying that there are only two forms of advantage play? Poker or card counting blackjack?
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    Generally speaking, yes.

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