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mrsuit31
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August 22nd, 2012 at 7:09:38 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

Seems like your game is getting a great reaction from some players - Congratulations and I hope that your hard work and effort pays off.



Thank you Switch!
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P90
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August 22nd, 2012 at 8:35:25 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

1.) Originality
-Money$uit 31 is not specifically based on anything or centering around an already existant game.


Easy mistake to make. Money$uit 31 is closely based on 31. Now, 31 is largely forgotten and localized, that's why it looks that way.

Adding the Moneysuit changes little, but it makes it different enough for commercial sale of the package. There are also other changes adapting it to a casino environment.
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Mission146
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August 22nd, 2012 at 8:41:14 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Easy mistake to make. Money$uit 31 is closely based on 31. Now, 31 is largely forgotten and localized, that's why it looks that way.

Adding the Moneysuit changes little, but it makes it different enough for commercial sale of the package. There are also other changes adapting it to a casino environment.



That's why Mr$uit likes that family wager so much!!! (Having read the Wiki)

I still like it, though. I've never played 31. I'm a little disappointed that it is not a completely original game, but I do not like it any less because of that fact.

EDIT: It's also no wonder I have never run into 31, I absolutely HATE Gin Rummy. I do like 500, though.
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Zcore13
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August 22nd, 2012 at 9:05:13 PM permalink
I've enjoyed this game from day one and I especially like to "family pot" feature. First saw it in a game about 3 years ago and liked that game too.
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Paradigm
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August 22nd, 2012 at 11:22:13 PM permalink
Mission146 that was a lot of good info for M$31 and other developers, thanks for taking the time to draft that detailed response!

Original, Fun Player Decisions & Easy to learn/play.

I think the only one of these that is debated is the originality. Many have said in the past that not going with a variant of poker or BJ (maybe Baccarat) leaves new games little chance of succeeding. I don't agree with that statement and would in fact say that based on the saturation of BJ and Poker variants out there, it maybe more difficult to go the variant route for a new game developer than to come up with an original concept that meets the fun & easy requirements.

Time will tell if an original/new to the casino floor game (i.e. 31 is a "new to the casino floor" game) can make it. It will be a first and I for one am hoping that an original game breaks through the 50 table install level sometime this decade.

I think there are a some players and table game directors/managers that are waiting for something besides the next BJ/Poker variant with a new twist to play. Whether there is enough of these folks out there is uncertain, but I have heard more than one table game management person say these vary words.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. You have re-confirmed why the Forum is a great place to gather and exchange ideas.
Mission146
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August 23rd, 2012 at 12:05:06 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Mission146 that was a lot of good info for M$31 and other developers, thanks for taking the time to draft that detailed response!

Original, Fun Player Decisions & Easy to learn/play.



You're welcome!

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I think the only one of these that is debated is the originality. Many have said in the past that not going with a variant of poker or BJ (maybe Baccarat) leaves new games little chance of succeeding. I don't agree with that statement and would in fact say that based on the saturation of BJ and Poker variants out there, it maybe more difficult to go the variant route for a new game developer than to come up with an original concept that meets the fun & easy requirements.



The problem that you have here is that you can roll out an original game, but it can't be at all complicated. Free Bet Blackjack or Blackjack Switch, or any variant of anything will tend to give the impression that the game is comparatively, "Easy," compared to a game with which one is completely unfamiliar, but that's because the player recognizes many of the rules/plays from the ancestor game. The same thing goes with Poker, is there anyone who has not at least played Five Card Draw?

I would say that if you have someone inquiring about how the game works, without already having chips on the table, (some people will play anything, whether they have an idea what's going on or not!) the dealer is going to need to be able to explain the goal to the player within thirty seconds. Money$suit 31 accomplishes this. "To get paid you have to have at least two cards of the same suit that total seventeen or better. You can remove one card and draw a new one, but you have to bet the amount of your ante to do that. You would Fold and lose your ante if this were impossible or unlikely. Generally, you would play any matching suits total of fifteen (on two cards) or higher. If you total seventeen or better with all three cards, and they are all the same suit, you would generally play and not take anymore cards. If you need any help, just ask me what to do, I was one of the first dealers trained on this game, here."

Could you imagine explaining Pai Gow Poker to someone who has never played any form of Poker? I doubt if there is anyone on a thirty-second explaination that would be satisfied that they have any idea what they are doing.

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Time will tell if an original/new to the casino floor game (i.e. 31 is a "new to the casino floor" game) can make it. It will be a first and I for one am hoping that an original game breaks through the 50 table install level sometime this decade.

I think there are a some players and table game directors/managers that are waiting for something besides the next BJ/Poker variant with a new twist to play. Whether there is enough of these folks out there is uncertain, but I have heard more than one table game management person say these vary words.



I certainly hope that we see it in this decade. I think the main problem is one of over-familiarity. There are very few people that have not played Poker or Penny Blackjack as kids for fun. We know these games, or at least, we think we do. Some people aren't inclined to try a completely new game.

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Thanks again for taking the time to respond. You have re-confirmed why the Forum is a great place to gather and exchange ideas.



You're welcome. Thank you for the fantastic compliment!!!
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mrsuit31
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August 25th, 2012 at 3:48:54 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Adding the Moneysuit changes little



P90, The addition of the Money$uit changes the strategy in a major way, not only in my table games but in the original family style game that is described on the wiki page as well. This is what makes the addition of the Money$uit a major change from the original game of 31.

As Mission had stated, in my casino versions of the game the changes in strategic decisions from one event to another is dramatically different when the Money$uit is involved. Not only is strategy different but it creates increased volatility as well as an exponential increase in excitement when the larger payouts are concerned and realistically even when some of the mid pays are involved. The Money$uit essentially adds almost all of the excitement...(in my opinion)

As for the family style game, the strategy changes are much different as well. The way that I have instated the Money$uit into the family style game is the same when it comes to breaking ties but when Scat (31) has been drawn to by someone who's hand is composed of the Money$uit all other players lose 2 outs/points instead of one. During gameplay players become more aware of the specific suits that the person in front of them is drawing when that suit is the Money$uit, as the person's decisions to drop high cards (bombs) of the Money$uit become very influential to the outcome of the game; this leads to players surveying how many outs all other players posses as well as the number they have to determine weather it is best to sacrifice their hand by retaining these Bombs to prevent a money$uit 31 or whether it would be beneficial to knock others out of the game/to equalize it if people have commanding leads etc.... Also when it comes to decisions on what cards to keep, player strategy is altered as well. When players draw a high Money$uit card (bomb) players will often keep the Money$uit bomb and dump a higher hand in hopes of working there way towards the ultimate goal of the Money$uit 31 to get those additional outs, to help win the pot, as well as just hoping to possess a more powerful hand in the event someone decides to knock. You will also find that when the family game is played with these Money$uit rules mostly everyone tends to follow the Money$uit "bombs" and how many are in play/have been drawn/ are buried etc.. it creates an entirely new element of the game.
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:34:28 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

What's the proper play here? I think keeping the pair of aces might be better?

how about here? Maybe throw away the king?


I think you are right on both plays. I'll double check after I get home from work, or earlier if I wake up from my nap and no one is using the computer.
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