New Money$uit 31 2.7% house edge 1.7% element of risk paytable

I did ask for imput and I am happy to hear it from all of you. Still im not offended i just thought that the statement that people hate three card and let it ride was pretty funny!

As far as convincing a casino, thats the hurdle that every new game faces. If you read up on three card poker and its trial and tribulations. the game failed three times before being successful in tunica. How do you think D. webb was able to convince these casinos after failing that there was still a chance for it to become at least somewhat popular. and look at it today.

Im not Saying that M$31 will be the next 3cp(although of course i wish this be the case, who wouldnt) but as you can see by the voting, its split about 50/50 right now on people that would play vs who wouldnt( the wouldnts im guessing being non-carnival game players regardless). and others in prior threads have said they would play as well. as we all know only time will tell the fate of my games.

I do really appreciate all of the honest feedback and again this all helps me tailor my games to what i think will be well received by the public.

Yeah I didn't really mean to mention three card...lol
But it is hated by a FEW people...

haha, no worries everything is hated by some people! And if you feel like it give the demo a few more tries and keep me posted on the results. in one of the old threads one of the guys had the same reaction, then at my request played a few more times and begun to win a few and changed his opinion of the game...

" " Also in that version The "Money$uit" wager will debut, where people will be able to (optional wager) wager on what they think the Money$uit will be. Most likely paying 2 to 1.""

" Also in that version The "Money$uit" wager will debut, where people will be able to (optional wager) wager on what they think the Money$uit will be. Most likely paying 2 to 1. "

"Most Likely paying 2 to 1"

but 2.5 to 1 is better with a HA of 12.5%...

" Before informing people I was already coming out with the wager they insisted that I use it in the game. " I made my comments at 2-1 payoff. Also were people actually INSISTING that you use it in the game? Really? I see people who have poured all their income in an idea and all their friends and family think it is great.
With other products, the customer usually has a chance to fairly evaluate a product. All too often with a casino game, you are at the mercy of the lowest level managers. That why I asked if you were able to get a blurb about it in the casino website. That might ensure your chances of a fair trial if you can point out that upper level supports introducing your game.
See my post about Switch at the Mardi Gras in Blackhawk. Management did everything I could think of to kill a game. This with a game supported by Shufflemaster, the biggest gorilla!
I meant good luck with your game sincerely. The sarcastic good luck was aimed at getting people to bet on the money suit at 2-1.

Quote: buzzpaff

" Before informing people I was already coming out with the wager they insisted that I use it in the game. " I made my comments at 2-1 payoff. Also were people actually INSISTING that you use it in the game? Really? I see people who have poured all their income in an idea and all their friends and family think it is great.
With other products, the customer usually has a chance to fairly evaluate a product. All too often with a casino game, you are at the mercy of the lowest level managers. That why I asked if you were able to get a blurb about it in the casino website. That might ensure your chances of a fair trial if you can point out that upper level supports introducing your game.
See my post about Switch at the Mardi Gras in Blackhawk. Management did everything I could think of to kill a game. This with a game supported by Shufflemaster, the biggest gorilla!
I meant good luck with your game sincerely. The sarcastic good luck was aimed at getting people to bet on the money suit at 2-1.

People really did insist, that i am not making up. The common question was "Can I bet on what the $uit will be?" a few director also insisted on adding the wager(before knowing i already planned to), again to just offer another simple non-required wager into the game. In the future the wager may even replace the family pot in the original(but that is not the immediate plan, may just be another option)

I will talk with the marketing folks at the Augustine about a blurb on the website. They had posted on there twitter account and we had sent out releases in the local papers. Also, we did a quick interview on a local T.V. show that they film on premises about the game where I demoed a hand quickly.

You where right that a 2 to 1 max should have a HA below 25% the 2.5 to 1 at 12.5% is much more appropriate...

I really do appreciate your good luck wishes and creative thoughts!

- Trips payout just seems odd to me in a game that values total cards of 1 suit. Is this just coming from the normal 31 game? It seems like a very random rule just thrown in there.

- I'm not a fan of big payouts. I have no idea how often the 8-1 and higher payouts happen, but these are the reasons I rarely play LIR. It is so often that I get just bad cards and I feel I either need a big payout or I'm just bleeding money. Also at least with LIR, I'm in the hand with everyone else till the end. How would the payouts need to change if you removed the play bet and replaced it with a raise bet. The player never leaves the hand, just has less money bet on the outcome?

- 45% fold, 45% draw, 10% stay still seem extremely bad to me. It could have been just bad luck, but even in the times where I had suited cards, my odds are still only 20% chance of getting a card that is useful to me. What are the actual chance of be getting 17 or higher in a hand? They seem very low. If it is going to be extremely common for me to lose 5+ hands in a row after sitting down, I'm not coming back to this table very often.


- Not a big deal, but I would have simplified the payouts a lot more. The Moneysuit idea I like. I just would have made it be 2X payouts for the money suit for example. Having 6 payouts from 27+ when all of those seem rare to begin with just seemed like overkill. A M$ 17 gets me more money, but a M$ 26 pays exactly the same as other suits? Again just a little odd to me. If the moneysuit is special, make it special at all times.


I'm just not sure on the family pot idea. The concept sounds good I think. I'm just thinking of the situtation where someone at the table is getting amazing hand after amazing hand. I love the idea that I'm playing against other players with what seems to be zero house edge. However, I think that should still be an optional bet. I don't mind when the casino is making money off me when I'm drawing horrible hands. Knowing the person to my left is making money off me is just not a good thing when I'm forced into it. I'm still not sure being optional is a good solution though as it still could get 2 people hating each other.

Quote: WongBo

Most people hate let it ride, three card and carribean stud because they require multiple bets.

I think it is tough to say most people hate Three Card Poker with the success that it has enjoyed over the years. It certainly isn't at its peak anymore, but there is not doubt it is/was a huge hit and still has plenty of installs.

People don't like LIR & Carribean Stud anymore not because of multiple bets. If that was the case, how do you explain the meteoric rise of Ultimate Texas Hold'em that requires and Ante, Blind and a raise of as much as 4 units to play. Crazy Four Poker has also gained lots of traction and it requires multiple bets.

I think the reasons for LIR and CS demise relate to hit frequency on LIR and the failure to get paid on your play bet in CS when the dealer doesn't qualify. Particularly when the Play bet is 2X the Ante. To risk 3 units and get paid on 1 is a killer. Shuffle Master fixed that in UTH. When you get a big hand in UTH and dealer doesn't qualify, you get paid on your big raise bet and push the 1 unit ante.....that feels a lot better to the player.

I don't know what the hit frequency is on Money$uit 31, but I think having a hit frequency north of 40% is key when trying to introduce a new main game concept (i.e. not a side bet).

Quote: soulhunt79

- Trips payout just seems odd to me in a game that values total cards of 1 suit. Is this just coming from the normal 31 game? It seems like a very random rule just thrown in there.

- I'm not a fan of big payouts. I have no idea how often the 8-1 and higher payouts happen, but these are the reasons I rarely play LIR. It is so often that I get just bad cards and I feel I either need a big payout or I'm just bleeding money. Also at least with LIR, I'm in the hand with everyone else till the end. How would the payouts need to change if you removed the play bet and replaced it with a raise bet. The player never leaves the hand, just has less money bet on the outcome?

- 45% fold, 45% draw, 10% stay still seem extremely bad to me. It could have been just bad luck, but even in the times where I had suited cards, my odds are still only 20% chance of getting a card that is useful to me. What are the actual chance of be getting 17 or higher in a hand? They seem very low. If it is going to be extremely common for me to lose 5+ hands in a row after sitting down, I'm not coming back to this table very often.


- Not a big deal, but I would have simplified the payouts a lot more. The Moneysuit idea I like. I just would have made it be 2X payouts for the money suit for example. Having 6 payouts from 27+ when all of those seem rare to begin with just seemed like overkill. A M$ 17 gets me more money, but a M$ 26 pays exactly the same as other suits? Again just a little odd to me. If the moneysuit is special, make it special at all times.


I'm just not sure on the family pot idea. The concept sounds good I think. I'm just thinking of the situation where someone at the table is getting amazing hand after amazing hand. I love the idea that I'm playing against other players with what seems to be zero house edge. However, I think that should still be an optional bet. I don't mind when the casino is making money off me when I'm drawing horrible hands. Knowing the person to my left is making money off me is just not a good thing when I'm forced into it. I'm still not sure being optional is a good solution though as it still could get 2 people hating each other.

The Trips is a rule from the original game 31.

In Money$uit 31 the fold% is 40% (stud has a 20% fold%), which makes the game a little more strategic in terms of making a play decision (still with a fold% 10% less than CS). The likely hood of being dealt a guaranteed payout in TCP is under 25% (prob. of being dealt less than a pair or better is 0.743891) this to me means that 75% of the time (including when you fold) you are hoping that a dealer will not get a decent hand and beat you. I feel that this is very similar to having to draw to win in M$31 vs the number of time you lose to a dealers hand.

As far as the hit %, i do not have those numbers for you.

There is only so much that can be done with the payouts to make them appropriate for use after experimenting with a large number of different tables this was the one i liked best...

Hit% for Money$uit 31 33.7%, broken down as follows: (HA=2.7% EOR= 1.7%)
lose.....25.33226%
fold.....40.91855%
push 3.65241%
1-1 22.44242%
2-1 4.64512%
5-1 1.23132%
8-1 0.71207%
10-1 0.67412%
15-1 0.29255%
35-1 0.08265%
70-1 0.01653%

Hit% for Money$uit 31 Stud 38.7%, broken down as follows: (HA= 4.0% EOR=2.2%)

lose 40.46295%
fold 20.81448%
push 4.90264%
1-1 28.05356%
3-1 3.95395%
6-1 0.67061%
10-1 0.39160%
15-1 0.53597%
30-1 0.16068%
50-1 0.04451%
100-1 0.00905%

For anyone that lives down in the Coachella/Indio California area. We will be hosting freeroll Money$uit 31 tournaments at the Augustine Casino this Friday and Saturday the 23rd and 24th starting at 8pm. As of now its looking like $50 or more for the winners of each table. If anyone is interested in coming down PM me and i can give you more info...

The new paytable is holding a consistent 30% since we have relaunched. The feedback has been overwhelmingly positive... We even had one women hit a non natural m$ mini royal opening night for a $700 payoff on a ten dollar wager.

I was just dealt a M$ Mini-Royal on the demo, so of course now I love the game! Too bad I can't cash out my $10,820.22 (I had doubled my bankroll before picking up the progressive.)

In my personal opinion, (with all due respect to the inventors of ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC games such as Blackjack Switch, Free Bet Blackjack, Poker for Roulette and EZ Pai Gow that post here) Money$suit 31 would be the greatest game invented in the last 20 years were it not for Let It Ride. It is the greatest game invented 1994, or later, in my opinion.

Mission146.....this is likely music to M$31's ears!

I am curious as to why you feel this way about M$31?

Very curious on your response here if you are able to put your finger on the answer.

Quote: Mission146

In my personal opinion, (with all due respect to the inventors of ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC games such as Blackjack Switch, Free Bet Blackjack, Poker for Roulette and EZ Pai Gow that post here) Money$suit 31 would be the greatest game invented in the last 20 years were it not for Let It Ride. It is the greatest game invented 1994, or later, in my opinion.

Thank you Mission!!! This means a lot to me!

Quote: FarFromVegas

I was just dealt a M$ Mini-Royal on the demo, so of course now I love the game! Too bad I can't cash out my $10,820.22 (I had doubled my bankroll before picking up the progressive.)

Sorry for the delayed response vegas, I had somehow missed this post when you had posted a while back. Congrats! Not many have hit it, I myself have only hit it once and needless to say I've played hundreds of thousands of hands! I can only hope that you get to hit that during live play and if you do I will be happy to send my address so you can send a thank you note ;)

Seems like your game is getting a great reaction from some players - Congratulations and I hope that your hard work and effort pays off.

Quote: Paradigm

Mission146.....this is likely music to M$31's ears!

I am curious as to why you feel this way about M$31?

Very curious on your response here if you are able to put your finger on the answer.

1.) Originality

-Money$uit 31 is not specifically based on anything or centering around an already existant game. The BJ games are BJ, with new Rules. BlackJack Switch is intriguing because it specifically allows for, "Card-Passing," which of course was a huge no-no and pain for staff. Free Bet Blackjack, incredible concept, but still BJ with different Rules.

-If someone wanted to make a huge stretch, they could compare it to Three-Card, Draw Poker or Blackjack...I guess. In my opinion, the game is original enough to be considered not based on anything. To compare it to other such games and call it unoriginal is tantamount to calling it unoriginal because it uses cards.

2.) Fun Decisions!

-Isn't it great to have a decision to make when you already know you've won? It's almost like VP, in this regard. I've got 27 in the Money$uit, I'm getting paid 5:1, except it is A-Q-6. Decisions...Decisions... I can toss the six, and I'm still getting paid no worse than 1-1, except I have a chance now at reclaiming my 5:1, dropping down to 2:1, and 8:1, 10:1, 35:1 and 70:1 are all potentials. Where's the best EV? I'll figure it out for myself, even though the Table is available for optimal play. Even if keeping it is the best EV, but I need a little more than that to hit my win-stop point, then I might take a shot. If I'm down, I can take a shot. I haven't actually done the EV for this example, I'm just throwing it out there.

-You can also possibly see other peoples' cards, I'm not going to gooseneck for it or anything, but if I happen to see an Ace in the M$ out of the corner of my eye, so be it. That can influence one's decision, and it's also easy enough to figure out the new EV of a play simply by having the regular EV memorized and eliminating that possibility. It might take a stall of thirty seconds or so, but this doesn't seem like a game expected to move at a breakneck pace.

-I also understand that in California, they must turn over an actual card to determine the M$. I don't recall if that comes from the same deck, but if so, the player may behave accordingly.

3.) It's EASY!!!

-The basic strategy is ridiculously simple, I mean that in a good way. In the only events you have to make a really tough decision, you've already won!!! The point of it being easy is that it is a good starter for newbies, however, us more math-inclined can also enjoy the tougher decisions that go along with optimal play and deck composition.

The point is, my wife doesn't gamble, but she'll go on my birthday. I'd take her to this game in a heartbeat, and she'd understand it instantly! I have no reservations in saying she is not especially inclined towards the Maths because she'd be the first to admit it. Don't get me wrong, she's damn smart, much moreso than I am, just not inclined towards the Maths.

***The only thing I don't care for is the family bet. Mr$uit has explained to me why he likes it, and if he chooses to espouse upon it here, then very good. I suppose that most players should like it because it is essentially the equivalent of an odds bet in Craps, but I never like being forced into a bet. I'd prefer an optional family bet, and maybe you'd have some little red marker to determine who is playing it. It could also be a cause of dispute over who won, which isn't good. Maybe that never happens. It's tough for a newbie to compare six hands of anything, and that detracts from its accessibility to new players.

I also object to being told that I must bet on what is, essentially, a side bet, albeit one with 0 HE. In fact, the House makes nothing on it. I never thought I'd object to something the House makes nothing on, but I do. If I wanted to play against people, I'd play Poker. In a social game like this that can easily attract people with varying amounts of (or zero) gambling knowledge, I just want to be able to cheer for people...not play against them.

The other thing is, that I might start playing for the Family Pot. Take the example above: I'd never take the shot, why? I'm guaranteed the 5:1 with a very probable win on the family pot, 6 FOR 1, or what have you.

I'm also being forced to put more money out there, might reduce my action on the base game.

I just think it takes away from what is a perfect base game.

Score (w/Family Pot): 9

Score (w/o Family Pot): 10

---Let it Ride gets an 11---

Quote: Switch

Seems like your game is getting a great reaction from some players - Congratulations and I hope that your hard work and effort pays off.

Thank you Switch!

Quote: Mission146

1.) Originality
-Money$uit 31 is not specifically based on anything or centering around an already existant game.

Easy mistake to make. Money$uit 31 is closely based on 31. Now, 31 is largely forgotten and localized, that's why it looks that way.

Adding the Moneysuit changes little, but it makes it different enough for commercial sale of the package. There are also other changes adapting it to a casino environment.

Quote: P90

Easy mistake to make. Money$uit 31 is closely based on 31. Now, 31 is largely forgotten and localized, that's why it looks that way.

Adding the Moneysuit changes little, but it makes it different enough for commercial sale of the package. There are also other changes adapting it to a casino environment.

That's why Mr$uit likes that family wager so much!!! (Having read the Wiki)

I still like it, though. I've never played 31. I'm a little disappointed that it is not a completely original game, but I do not like it any less because of that fact.

EDIT: It's also no wonder I have never run into 31, I absolutely HATE Gin Rummy. I do like 500, though.

I've enjoyed this game from day one and I especially like to "family pot" feature. First saw it in a game about 3 years ago and liked that game too.

Mission146 that was a lot of good info for M$31 and other developers, thanks for taking the time to draft that detailed response!

Original, Fun Player Decisions & Easy to learn/play.

I think the only one of these that is debated is the originality. Many have said in the past that not going with a variant of poker or BJ (maybe Baccarat) leaves new games little chance of succeeding. I don't agree with that statement and would in fact say that based on the saturation of BJ and Poker variants out there, it maybe more difficult to go the variant route for a new game developer than to come up with an original concept that meets the fun & easy requirements.

Time will tell if an original/new to the casino floor game (i.e. 31 is a "new to the casino floor" game) can make it. It will be a first and I for one am hoping that an original game breaks through the 50 table install level sometime this decade.

I think there are a some players and table game directors/managers that are waiting for something besides the next BJ/Poker variant with a new twist to play. Whether there is enough of these folks out there is uncertain, but I have heard more than one table game management person say these vary words.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. You have re-confirmed why the Forum is a great place to gather and exchange ideas.

Quote: Paradigm

Mission146 that was a lot of good info for M$31 and other developers, thanks for taking the time to draft that detailed response!

Original, Fun Player Decisions & Easy to learn/play.

You're welcome!

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I think the only one of these that is debated is the originality. Many have said in the past that not going with a variant of poker or BJ (maybe Baccarat) leaves new games little chance of succeeding. I don't agree with that statement and would in fact say that based on the saturation of BJ and Poker variants out there, it maybe more difficult to go the variant route for a new game developer than to come up with an original concept that meets the fun & easy requirements.

The problem that you have here is that you can roll out an original game, but it can't be at all complicated. Free Bet Blackjack or Blackjack Switch, or any variant of anything will tend to give the impression that the game is comparatively, "Easy," compared to a game with which one is completely unfamiliar, but that's because the player recognizes many of the rules/plays from the ancestor game. The same thing goes with Poker, is there anyone who has not at least played Five Card Draw?

I would say that if you have someone inquiring about how the game works, without already having chips on the table, (some people will play anything, whether they have an idea what's going on or not!) the dealer is going to need to be able to explain the goal to the player within thirty seconds. Money$suit 31 accomplishes this. "To get paid you have to have at least two cards of the same suit that total seventeen or better. You can remove one card and draw a new one, but you have to bet the amount of your ante to do that. You would Fold and lose your ante if this were impossible or unlikely. Generally, you would play any matching suits total of fifteen (on two cards) or higher. If you total seventeen or better with all three cards, and they are all the same suit, you would generally play and not take anymore cards. If you need any help, just ask me what to do, I was one of the first dealers trained on this game, here."

Could you imagine explaining Pai Gow Poker to someone who has never played any form of Poker? I doubt if there is anyone on a thirty-second explaination that would be satisfied that they have any idea what they are doing.

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Time will tell if an original/new to the casino floor game (i.e. 31 is a "new to the casino floor" game) can make it. It will be a first and I for one am hoping that an original game breaks through the 50 table install level sometime this decade.

I think there are a some players and table game directors/managers that are waiting for something besides the next BJ/Poker variant with a new twist to play. Whether there is enough of these folks out there is uncertain, but I have heard more than one table game management person say these vary words.

I certainly hope that we see it in this decade. I think the main problem is one of over-familiarity. There are very few people that have not played Poker or Penny Blackjack as kids for fun. We know these games, or at least, we think we do. Some people aren't inclined to try a completely new game.

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Thanks again for taking the time to respond. You have re-confirmed why the Forum is a great place to gather and exchange ideas.

You're welcome. Thank you for the fantastic compliment!!!

Quote: P90

Adding the Moneysuit changes little

P90, The addition of the Money$uit changes the strategy in a major way, not only in my table games but in the original family style game that is described on the wiki page as well. This is what makes the addition of the Money$uit a major change from the original game of 31.

As Mission had stated, in my casino versions of the game the changes in strategic decisions from one event to another is dramatically different when the Money$uit is involved. Not only is strategy different but it creates increased volatility as well as an exponential increase in excitement when the larger payouts are concerned and realistically even when some of the mid pays are involved. The Money$uit essentially adds almost all of the excitement...(in my opinion)

As for the family style game, the strategy changes are much different as well. The way that I have instated the Money$uit into the family style game is the same when it comes to breaking ties but when Scat (31) has been drawn to by someone who's hand is composed of the Money$uit all other players lose 2 outs/points instead of one. During gameplay players become more aware of the specific suits that the person in front of them is drawing when that suit is the Money$uit, as the person's decisions to drop high cards (bombs) of the Money$uit become very influential to the outcome of the game; this leads to players surveying how many outs all other players posses as well as the number they have to determine weather it is best to sacrifice their hand by retaining these Bombs to prevent a money$uit 31 or whether it would be beneficial to knock others out of the game/to equalize it if people have commanding leads etc.... Also when it comes to decisions on what cards to keep, player strategy is altered as well. When players draw a high Money$uit card (bomb) players will often keep the Money$uit bomb and dump a higher hand in hopes of working there way towards the ultimate goal of the Money$uit 31 to get those additional outs, to help win the pot, as well as just hoping to possess a more powerful hand in the event someone decides to knock. You will also find that when the family game is played with these Money$uit rules mostly everyone tends to follow the Money$uit "bombs" and how many are in play/have been drawn/ are buried etc.. it creates an entirely new element of the game.

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Quote: sodawater

What's the proper play here? I think keeping the pair of aces might be better?

how about here? Maybe throw away the king?

I think you are right on both plays. I'll double check after I get home from work, or earlier if I wake up from my nap and no one is using the computer.

In the latter case, there is absolutely no question that you would toss the King. I can break it down for you if you really want me to, but having played the game extensively, it is immediately obvious. Very extensively. Obsessively extensively. I love it.

In any event, not only does drawing a Club to the King pay worse, but you have six cards (8c, 9c, 10c, Jc Qc Ac) that result in a winning hand involving the King. All of those winning hands pay 1:1, and one break-even (7c).

In the situation in which you keep the King, the Queen has seven winning cards. Any winning card pays 1:1.

If you keep the Qs-6s, first of all, you have less winning cards. 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, Js, Ks, As. You have eleven potential winning cards compared to thirteen winning cards and a break-even card otherwise, but then you have to get into your pays, the Qs-6s can draw six values (7, 8, 9, 10, J, K) that see you getting paid 2:1 and one (A) that sees you getting paid 5:1. Even without the four cards that would result in a 1:1 pay, you'd be getting better EV from the latter.

You've also got a decent starting total for the Family Bet, whereas your starting total in keeping the faces is Ten/Ten$suit. The Money$uit also provides the tie-breaking advantage for a family pot.

***

The top one is a little tougher, but not much. As-5s has eleven cards that win. Three cards get 1:1 (2, 3, 4) and the others (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, J, Q, K) are all good for 2:1. The Aces are much better. You have two cards (the other Aces) that would each get you 10:1 and you have fourteen cards (7, 8, 9, 10, J, Q, ---for each Ace) that will get you 1:1 while you have two sixes that will get you a Push.

I suppose I will have to go to some math to demonstrate this:

As-5s

As-5s has three cards that pay 1:1 3/49 * 100 = $6.12 EV (on Ante)

As-5s has eight cards that pay 2:1 8/49 * 200 = $32.65 EV (on Ante)

There are thirty-eight losing cards: 38/49 * 100 = -$77.55

The expected value of the play $6.12 + $32.65 - $77.55 = -$38.78 on the ante.

A-A

A-A has two cards that pay 10:1 2/49 * 1000 = $40.82

A-A has fourteen cards that pay 1:1 14/49 * 100 = $28.57

A-A has two cards that Push 2/49 * 0 = 0

There are 31 cards that lose 31/49 * -$100 = -$63.27

$40.82 + $28.57 - $63.27 = $6.12

I also did not include the play bet, but since there are more ways to win with the Aces, the Aces are better on that, by default.

In fact, the long-term expectation of holding a pair of Aces in which neither is the Money$uit is that you will win money. If you have Aces where one of them is the Money$uit that is slightly better as one six wins 1:1 rather than pushes. 1/49 * 100 = $2.04 better, in fact, EV $8.16.

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Poor Mission All that work, and he has not seen the new version of Moneysuit31 !

SodaWater,

You're welcome, thanks for the compliment!

BuzzPaff,

I'm looking forward to it!!!

I think Buzz is referring to Money$uit 31 Stud which is also on the website.....have you checked that one out?

Quote: Paradigm

I think Buzz is referring to Money$uit 31 Stud which is also on the website.....have you checked that one out?

I'm afraid that I have not, I'd have to stop playing Money$uit 31 first!!!

I understand the new version will be demonstrated at G2E.

I am unavailable at that time to deal it, but I understand a lesser skilled replacement has been hired !

Quote: Paradigm

I think Buzz is referring to Money$uit 31 Stud which is also on the website.....have you checked that one out?

The new version of the game will be played similar to the stud version on the website as far as being dealt two card and two community cards, but is quite different in several other aspects. It will be officially launched within a few weeks or so with the distributor, at that time I will send out all of the accompanying information.

Mission I'm looking forward to hearing when you hit a Mini Royal!

Now I have a reason to come back to this forum ,other than Paigowdan's sermons.

Looking forward to it M$31.....will details be out before the Show or will we simply see it there and then a subsequent announcement?

Quote: mrsuit31

Mission I'm looking forward to hearing when you hit a Mini Royal!

Thank you, Mr.Suit31!!! I've seen, "The Family," do it twice, but no such variance for me yet!

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P90, The addition of the Money$uit changes the strategy in a major way, not only in my table games but in the original family style game that is described on the wiki page as well. This is what makes the addition of the Money$uit a major change from the original game of 31.

Well, I guess you know better... But that wasn't my impression, though I've only played the site demo.
With the original paytable, I barely even bothered to look at the suit window, except when I had marginal hands that were a coin toss to play or fold (according to my limited feel of the strategy). With the new paytable, matching the suit seems to add about 1 point of value to the hand.

Only about every dozen hands there is a situation where I'd even check if I have the Money$uit. There are some situations where it indeed gives a choice to consider, but these are definitely rare. It adds the ability for a higher max. payout, of course.

In a player vs player game, the effect of a special suit is obviously much stronger. But it's not the same as the casino version, where you can't take cards out of the discard pile (or can you?), don't have multiple rounds of discarding and exchanging, don't choose to knock - basically you just need a higher hand.

P90 I do understand what you are saying regarding the greater impact of the Money$uit in the player vs player game over the original version of M$31, although I do still stick with previous statements about it creating excitement... The main reason why the Money$uit isn't incorporated into the paytable in a more significant manner is because in order to do so the payouts would be effected in to great a way by having to drop most of the mid-high pays to unatractive levels. Although for the original version of the game I don't feel that any changes to the payable are necessary...

In the new version that is going to be released within the next few weeks I think you will be pleased to see that in that version the Money$uit plays a much larger role in the paytable. This is the case as all hands of 19 or higher that are comprised of the money$uit will get much higher payouts than non-money$uit hand(while still receiving very nice payouts themselves). The way the money$uit will be generated is entirely different as well which creates much more exciting aspects of the game with the addition of very attractive side wagers! When I have clearance to release the specifics of the new version I will and I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well as everyone else's. This new version will be on the floor at g2e this year, I will release the booth number with all of the other information closer to the event so everyone who attends can give it a shot live. I will also keep you all informed with any info regarding a new demo when it is released online and where you can play for fun...

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Thank you, Mr.Suit31!!! I've seen, "The Family," do it twice, but no such variance for me yet!

I cant believe you have seen the progressive hit twice, I've only done it/seen it once since I've been playing the demo. Needless to say that has been a long time...

It's incredible! I'll hit it one of these days, though, God knows I play often enough!

In case you have a need to know :

DEQ will introduce Suit’Em Up 31™ in Las Vegas from
October 2-4, 2012 at Booth 2017.
This is a fast-paced single-deck poker game with a bonus card.

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In case you have a need to know :

DEQ will introduce Suit’Em Up 31™ in Las Vegas from
October 2-4, 2012 at Booth 2017.
This is a fast-paced single-deck poker game with a bonus card.

The "poker game" statement was obviously a mistake ;).

I thought so too, but it's a press release from DEQ , dated September 18. You can find it on DEQ website also.

Evidently a certain Quebec City’s Young High Tech Personality of the Year past winner did not proofread the press release.

I would have expected better of Earle !

Perhaps we should recount Quebec City's results !

Anybody seen Money$uit 31 installed ? No longer in Augustine Casino in California. DEQ does not list it as a product on their web site.
And so far I am the only FRIEND on Facebook Money$uit 31 page.