harris
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December 28th, 2025 at 6:03:39 PM permalink
Dear everyone,

Whenever I go to a casino, they can tell me the house rules they have for craps if I inquire. If I ask for information about blackjack, they'll give me the exact rules. In fact, usually they have a pamphlet detailing the rules for any game.

However, the second I ask for the Pai Gow Poker House Way or Pai Gow Tiles House Way, they have nothing to give me. To be fair, I remember that Casino @ Dania Beach gave me the house way when I asked (I lost it, oops), but no other casino seems to have it when I ask.

Personally I think this is really unfair. Imagine playing blackjack, and to your surprise, the dealer says the House Way is to not hit a four-card soft 17. I wish there was a way to compel casinos to reveal their House Way? Is there?

I do not have any malicious intentions - actually I just want to include as many Pai Gow Poker/Tiles House Ways as possible on my website once I release those games (aiming for February or March 2026).

Additionally, I wanted to ask if there are other games where different casinos have their own House Ways?

Thanks very much for reading and have a happy new year!
avianrandy
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December 28th, 2025 at 6:17:27 PM permalink
Well isn't most paigow these days face up.so why does it matter….. have you checked wizard of odds for pai gow tiles house way? I think I would start there
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December 28th, 2025 at 6:45:14 PM permalink
Casino house ways have been input into a computer on the Pai Gow Poker table, while the shuffler can recognize all of the cards that exit the shuffler; therefore, they really do not need to keep a paper copy of the house way. In other words, when the shuffler spits out these seven cards for the dealer, it can easily arrange into a low hand and a high hand itself.
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December 28th, 2025 at 6:46:13 PM permalink
Sounds like it might be more of a language problem than a secrecy problem. All the Pai Gow dealers know the house way and they demonstrate it with every hand they deal, so it can't be a secret. But if you want them to describe it to you, the answer might be "ancient Chinese secret," they can't do it coherently in English. So maybe look for an American dealer (they exist) and sit and play and talk with him for a while.
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December 28th, 2025 at 6:54:30 PM permalink
I believe the current 7-card Pai Gow poker is stupid. It really needs a renovation. It’s at the edge of extinction after all.

I invented a new Pai Gow poker game, which uses only 6 cards for everybody. Both the low hand and the high are composed of three cards each.
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December 28th, 2025 at 7:19:18 PM permalink
Quote: avianrandy

Well isn't most paigow these days face up.so why does it matter….. <snip>link to original post


avianrandy,

Honestly, so the player KNOWS that the dealer is not making misplays (intentionally or not) that are in the house's favor. It would be like playing a BJ game where the dealer does not show the players her hole card and hit cards and simply tells the players whether she beat them or not.

I have played Pai Gow Poker against many dealers who do not in fact know their own house way completely: they might set 98% of their hands correctly, but those other 2%, not so much.

I will give due credit to the Horseshoe in Tunica for displaying their PGP House Way on an engraved sign right on their PGP tables the last time I played there, many years ago.

Dog Hand
harris
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December 28th, 2025 at 7:49:16 PM permalink
Quote: avianrandy

Well isn't most paigow these days face up.so why does it matter….. have you checked wizard of odds for pai gow tiles house way? I think I would start there
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Well, it helps you know the house edge before you start playing.

Also Pai Gow Tiles is not face up
harris
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December 28th, 2025 at 7:49:54 PM permalink
Quote: aceside

Casino house ways have been input into a computer on the Pai Gow Poker table, while the shuffler can recognize all of the cards that exit the shuffler; therefore, they really do not need to keep a paper copy of the house way. In other words, when the shuffler spits out these seven cards for the dealer, it can easily arrange into a low hand and a high hand itself.
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I have never seen this in real life, though I believe it exists somewhere
harris
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December 28th, 2025 at 7:51:51 PM permalink
Quote: AutomaticMonkey

Sounds like it might be more of a language problem than a secrecy problem. All the Pai Gow dealers know the house way and they demonstrate it with every hand they deal, so it can't be a secret. But if you want them to describe it to you, the answer might be "ancient Chinese secret," they can't do it coherently in English. So maybe look for an American dealer (they exist) and sit and play and talk with him for a while.
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Most Pai Gow Poker dealers are not Chinese and anyways it’s better to get it in writing in case the dealer misses something.
harris
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December 28th, 2025 at 7:53:06 PM permalink
Replying to aceside, Casino Gaming Development made a simplified 5 Card Pai Gow last year, it can be found in a few casinos already.
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