AutomaticMonkey
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August 4th, 2025 at 12:15:28 AM permalink
Besides poker, has there ever been a game offered by a casino where players directly and overtly compete against each other?

I was thinking about that today and it seems like there's a lot of places they could go with that. Just like poker stardom brought a whole new class of players to casinos, another competitive game might attract a new class of young and ambitious people.

It would need the following characteristics:

- a bet can be resolved quickly, about as quick as a hand of poker.

- can be dealt to as few as two players, up to a full table (like poker).

- allows for a rake (like poker)

- not well-suited for collusion play between players (unlike poker!)

- has a strategy that "grows" indefinitely with a player's expertise and devotion. Blackjack Basic Strategy is simple and anyone can learn it perfectly, and even a counting strategy can be mastered to perfection by most people. But other games like contract bridge and gin rummy, poker in most forms, and non-card games chess and go have strategies where even the best human players in the world can always get a little better.

Maybe a Farkle variation?
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August 4th, 2025 at 8:55:23 AM permalink
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August 4th, 2025 at 9:33:33 AM permalink
I immediately thought of Flop Poker too, but I don't think that's what AutomaticMonkey had in mind.

The only thing that comes close is BlackJack tournaments. Of course, lots of people enter them, then play as if they are playing regular cash BJ, without adjusting for tournament style. If they do that, they might as well play a slots tourney.

A smart BJ tourney player will adjust their bet sizing based on what the other players are doing, as well as change strategy (for example, always split tens).
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August 4th, 2025 at 5:01:17 PM permalink
Quote: AutomaticMonkey

Besides poker, has there ever been a game offered by a casino where players directly and overtly compete against each other?

I was thinking about that today and it seems like there's a lot of places they could go with that. Just like poker stardom brought a whole new class of players to casinos, another competitive game might attract a new class of young and ambitious people.

It would need the following characteristics:

- a bet can be resolved quickly, about as quick as a hand of poker.

- can be dealt to as few as two players, up to a full table (like poker).

- allows for a rake (like poker)

- not well-suited for collusion play between players (unlike poker!)

- has a strategy that "grows" indefinitely with a player's expertise and devotion. Blackjack Basic Strategy is simple and anyone can learn it perfectly, and even a counting strategy can be mastered to perfection by most people. But other games like contract bridge and gin rummy, poker in most forms, and non-card games chess and go have strategies where even the best human players in the world can always get a little better.

Maybe a Farkle variation?
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I don't know if there are any left, but at one time, there were skill games that you played against other players, you could make money hanging around waiting for young weekend partiers on the Las Vegas Strip.

There used to be some money in playing Blackjack tournaments and whatnot, but I'm not sure if there are too many good tournaments around these days.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 4th, 2025 at 5:01:19 PM permalink
Quote: AutomaticMonkey

Besides poker, has there ever been a game offered by a casino where players directly and overtly compete against each other?

I was thinking about that today and it seems like there's a lot of places they could go with that. Just like poker stardom brought a whole new class of players to casinos, another competitive game might attract a new class of young and ambitious people.

It would need the following characteristics:

- a bet can be resolved quickly, about as quick as a hand of poker.

- can be dealt to as few as two players, up to a full table (like poker).

- allows for a rake (like poker)

- not well-suited for collusion play between players (unlike poker!)

- has a strategy that "grows" indefinitely with a player's expertise and devotion. Blackjack Basic Strategy is simple and anyone can learn it perfectly, and even a counting strategy can be mastered to perfection by most people. But other games like contract bridge and gin rummy, poker in most forms, and non-card games chess and go have strategies where even the best human players in the world can always get a little better.

Maybe a Farkle variation?
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I don't know if there are any left, but at one time, there were skill games that you played against other players, you could make money hanging around waiting for young weekend partiers on the Las Vegas Strip.

There used to be some money in playing Blackjack tournaments and whatnot, but I'm not sure if there are too many good tournaments around these days.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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