Killing Time With Baccarat

For an AP play I'm doing, I need to kill an hour in a casino before playing Blackjack. During this hour I need to gamble, so I am looking for a way to give away the smallest house edge to the casino during this time, while still looking like a gambler.

I was thinking of using a Baccarat system which allows me to sit out a lot of hands. Something like betting $100 on banker only after a player win, and sitting out after banker win or tie. Or even more aggressive would be betting banker only after 2 player wins.

I've never played Baccarat before, so my question is, are theses kind of systems fairly normal at Baccarat tables, or would players/dealers/pit bosses get annoyed or suspicious at me sitting out so many hands?

EDIT: I need my first hours play to be somewhat similar to my Blackjack play, which will be $400 a hand.

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For an AP play I'm doing, I need to kill an hour in a casino before playing Blackjack. During this hour I need to gamble, so I am looking for a way to give away the smallest house edge to the casino during this time, while still looking like a gambler.

I was thinking of using a Baccarat system which allows me to sit out a lot of hands. Something like betting on banker only after a player win, and sitting out after banker win or tie. Or even more aggressive would be betting banker only after 2 player wins.

I've never played Baccarat before, so my question is, are theses kind of systems fairly normal at Baccarat tables, or would players/dealers/pit bosses get annoyed or suspicious at me sitting out so many hands?
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Probably better to find a slot that allows for one line penny spins. Spin a penny for an hour and maybe you lose $5.

Also those video roulette stand up machines (usually green in color) allow you to bet a quarter. Just bet twenty five cents on red for an hour and you might lose no more than $5

You can sit between spins for awhile and no one will complain

Thanks for the reply. I should have mentioned, I need the appearance of my gambling in the first hour to be similar to my blackjack action, which will be $400 a hand. Playing penny slots might make it stand out a bit when I go to $400 a hand of blackjack.

I was thinking $100 with my Baccarat system would lose maybe $30 an hour, which I would be happy with, as long as my Baccarat system looks fairly normal.

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For an AP play I'm doing, I need to kill an hour in a casino before playing Blackjack. During this hour I need to gamble, so I am looking for a way to give away the smallest house edge to the casino during this time, while still looking like a gambler.

I was thinking of using a Baccarat system which allows me to sit out a lot of hands. Something like betting on banker only after a player win, and sitting out after banker win or tie. Or even more aggressive would be betting banker only after 2 player wins.

I've never played Baccarat before, so my question is, are theses kind of systems fairly normal at Baccarat tables, or would players/dealers/pit bosses get annoyed or suspicious at me sitting out so many hands?
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You did not specify whether the play had to be tables, but I will assume it has to be rated table play at a certain minimum bet.

I think craps is much better than baccarat. If you play pass line with 2x or higher odds, then you are giving up a smaller percentage of your action. Also, you may get many rolls before you get a resolution of your wager. You could be sitting there with $100 on the pass line + $200 on the odds for 10 rolls. You could get lucky and have no new money getting exposed to the house edge, and then hit your point in the end.

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For an AP play I'm doing, I need to kill an hour in a casino before playing Blackjack. During this hour I need to gamble, so I am looking for a way to give away the smallest house edge to the casino during this time, while still looking like a gambler.

I was thinking of using a Baccarat system which allows me to sit out a lot of hands. Something like betting on banker only after a player win, and sitting out after banker win or tie. Or even more aggressive would be betting banker only after 2 player wins.

I've never played Baccarat before, so my question is, are theses kind of systems fairly normal at Baccarat tables, or would players/dealers/pit bosses get annoyed or suspicious at me sitting out so many hands?
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You did not specify whether the play had to be tables, but I will assume it has to be rated table play at a certain minimum bet.

I think craps is much better than baccarat. If you play pass line with 2x or higher odds, then you are giving up a smaller percentage of your action. Also, you may get many rolls before you get a resolution of your wager. You could be sitting there with $100 on the pass line + $200 on the odds for 10 rolls. You could get lucky and have no new money getting exposed to the house edge, and then hit your point in the end.
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Yes I agree.

Also you can sometimes skip rolls here and there when you aren't the shooter. People are superstitious at that game and don't bet on people they feel aren't lucky.

The concept of alternating between what the casino perceives as a game of chance with a game of skill is sound. But that alone isn't going to save you.

From the figures you mention it doesn't really sound like your end take is going to be much anyway, so you might be worrying for nothing.

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I've never played Baccarat before, so my question is, are theses kind of systems fairly normal at Baccarat tables, or would players/dealers/pit bosses get annoyed or suspicious at me sitting out so many hands?
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No, no one will care that you're sitting out a bunch of hands at a $100 table. People do it all the time at Baccarat.

I don't know much about Pigaw ties. I believe the HA is less than 1.5 %. From my understanding it's a slow game and somewhat complicated. One of the few games I have not much experience with.

Craps is probably better considering the time it takes to complete and being able to walk away without being noticed.

Depending on the location, craps play will generate offers like free bets etc., that make it a + EV situation..

Craps is a losing game unless you're winning. Playing BJ for $400/hand is, what, a $400/4 hr loss to the HA @ 50 hands/hr? I'm sure I could lose $10K on $400/hand in 2 shoes with some serious bad luck. I don't know what you're doing trying to limit losses to $100/hr on another game for an hour when you could lose so bad at $400/hand BJ in 30 minutes. Simple answer is to play craps with $25 PL & 2 Comes with $50 odds (3 point Molly) to keep the HA low at a $25 table and to keep within green chip play and table limit odds (3X, 4X, 5X). If it's a $10 table, then do $10 PL & 2 Comes with 3X, 4X, 5X odds. But I personally might go with $10 DP with $60 odds because people can't hit the broadside of a point for some reason.

For that low house edge you'd have to play perfect strategy which is very complicated, especially if you've never played tiles and have to learn from scratch. Face up pai gow poker requires no skill and has a HE of around 1.8%. I still think OP is right to go for baccarat, as the long gaps in play will lower their losses, and at $400 a hand, baccarat is the game to arouse the least attention

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For that low house edge you'd have to play perfect strategy which is very complicated, especially if you've never played tiles and have to learn from scratch. Face up pai gow poker requires no skill and has a HE of around 1.8%. I still think OP is right to go for baccarat, as the long gaps in play will lower their losses, and at $400 a hand, baccarat is the game to arouse the least attention
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Worth adding that card counting lowers the edge by about .1%-something the casinos don't take into account. If you skip hands it can be significantly more than that.

Also it isn't that hard to find dealers who make profitable mistakes-if you catch them.