DJ Wild Bad Beat thread

So a couple youtubers but specifically Kelly from Beyond Blackjack have been playing DJ Wild more often on streams in the past few months. One interesting unique-ish side bet is a Two Way Bad Beat bet that gets paid out surprisingly often. I doubt it would be worth it for Wizard to figure out the math on how often such a bet would get paid off, but maybe one of our other resident math guys would like to take a crack at it? I see there's a very own thread about this by some guy winning $3,000 with Quads over Quads.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/dj-wild/

As always, side bets are sucker bets almost always, but I'm always fascinated on side bets that have the lowest house edge to them and there's some potential this side bet could be fairly low.

I believe this bet pays on Trips or better. Another way of looking at the two-way bad beat is to say you are paying the second highest hand. In this case, using the Wizards analysis, a player will have less than trips 77.9145% (according to Trips side bet paytable). So if you take (1-0.779145)^2, which is the odds of both hands being trips or better, you get a quick estimate of the hit frequency of 4.88% (not precise as it doesn't take into account cards used in the first hand not being available in the other), but is probably good for an estimate. The real number is likely a little bit lower, since wilds will often account for trips in one of the hands which make the other hand harder to hit (with less wilds to use), but again just a quick 30 second estimate that errors on the high side...

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I believe this bet pays on Trips or better. Another way of looking at the two-way bad beat is to say you are paying the second highest hand. In this case, using the Wizards analysis, a player will have less than trips 77.9145% (according to Trips side bet paytable). So if you take (1-0.779145)^2, which is the odds of both hands being trips or better, you get a quick estimate of the hit frequency of 4.88% (not precise as it doesn't take into account cards used in the first hand not being available in the other), but is probably good for an estimate. The real number is likely a little bit lower, since wilds will often account for trips in one of the hands which make the other hand harder to hit (with less wilds to use), but again just a quick 30 second estimate that errors on the high side...
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As zbrownson mentions, when your hand has a one or more wilds, the frequency of dealer making a hand that is trips or better is lower because dealer has fewer wilds with which to make a good hand. I estimate the first order correction to account for this is that the two-way bad beat frequency would be reduced by about 18%, which makes the two-way bad beat frequency very close to 4.0%.

Unrelated but I saw this game in Florida a couple years ago. For those who don't know outside of the tribal casinos they have poker rooms across the state. They offer poker and banked table games like UTH and 3CP etc because they are saying it is "poker". Someone sits at the table with $50k in chips and pays you or takes your chips. Most of the rules are the same as traditional versions of the game but on DJ wild I noticed that you could do 1 or 2x your ante for the raise bet. Normally you have to do 2x. I thought maybe this would be beneficial for some hands that you would normally fold like Ace high. It would be much cheaper to "save" your ante with 1 bet rather than 2.

this is wild card stud not DJ Wild and the dealer needs an pair or the ante pushes

Here are the house edges depending on paytable according to the official rules sheet on file with the WSGC.



https://wsgc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2023-11/DJ%20Wild%20Stud%20Poker%20%20Add%20Cover%20All%20.pdf