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June 14th, 2023 at 4:39:44 PM permalink
This thread shall be for discussion about the new table games seen at the 2023 Global Game Protection and Table Games Conference (long name). As always, Angela gets the honor of the first video. Here she is demonstrating Match 52.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrrQjMYewdg

The question for the poll is what was your favorite game from the show? One vote only.
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June 14th, 2023 at 6:05:39 PM permalink
I would like to apologize to the makers of Big Bet Blackjack, who I neglected to include in the poll options of the OP. A video of their game is coming soon.
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June 14th, 2023 at 7:26:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This thread shall be for discussion about the new table games seen at the 2023 Global Game Protection and Table Games Conference (long name). As always, Angela gets the honor of the first video. Here she is demonstrating Match 52.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrrQjMYewdg

The question for the poll is what was your favorite game from the show? One vote only.
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Definitely an original concept, but I think there are some concerns for this game on a physical table, there are a lot of cards to deal, speed of play, and the real estate required by a larger table all come to mind. It seems a roulette table (with a chipper) would make more sense here. That being said, it is a creative concept, simple to get, and I could see myself playing this game at a bar top or in an electronic format.
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June 19th, 2023 at 10:25:49 AM permalink
Here is the next game in my series from the 2023 table game show -- 3 Shot Poker. This one can already be played at the Grand Sierra in Reno.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNIVZLmgMEw
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June 19th, 2023 at 11:24:20 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is the next game in my series from the 2023 table game show -- 3 Shot Poker. This one can already be played at the Grand Sierra in Reno.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNIVZLmgMEw
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Too high a house edge for me...
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June 20th, 2023 at 6:30:44 AM permalink
I am a little surprised the house edge is this high, especially when the game has a single decision and will play quickly. Then again, it looks like Grand Sierra was given 3 paytables and chose the highest house edge of the three, so maybe that is where the market is at.
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June 21st, 2023 at 3:46:02 PM permalink
Happy Summer Solstice everyone!

The next game in our series is Big Bet Blackjack by our own zbrownson.



Direct: https://youtu.be/yC2PX_04BhE
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June 21st, 2023 at 7:08:53 PM permalink
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Happy Summer Solstice everyone!

The next game in our series is Big Bet Blackjack by our own zbrownson.



Direct: https://youtu.be/yC2PX_04BhE
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Any chance The Wiz can do a statistical analysis of game play at some point? Pretty please?
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June 21st, 2023 at 9:16:03 PM permalink
If dealer busts with:
3 cards,player's unbusted hand pays 1:2
4 cards, player's unbusted hand pays 1:1
5 cards, player's unbusted hand pays 3:2
6 cards, player's unbusted hand pays ????
7 cards, player's unbusted hand pays ????

In the video, it is mentioned that the payout increases to 100:1; for how many dealer cards in a busted hand?

Does this mean that you are more or less likely to raise when dealer's faceup card is a 2?
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June 21st, 2023 at 9:24:57 PM permalink
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If dealer busts with:
3 cards,player's unbusted hand pays 1:2
4 cards, player's unbusted hand pays 1:1
5 cards, player's unbusted hand pays 3:2
6 cards, player's unbusted hand pays ????
7 cards, player's unbusted hand pays ????

In the video, it is mentioned that the payout increases to 100:1; for how many dealer cards in a busted hand?

Does this mean that you are more likely to raise when dealer faceup card is a 2?
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6 cards pay 3:1
7 cards pay 10:1
8+ cards pay 100:1

Here is when you will make a 2x raise (triple)
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June 21st, 2023 at 9:48:46 PM permalink
Another question about the rules.

If player has a hand such as 8-8 vs 7, can the player make the 2X raise and then split his 8-8 hand? If splitting after a big raise, does this mean that each split hand is played with the original wager plus the 2x raise amount? If you are allowed to Double after splitting, does this mean that the tripled wager can then be doubled?
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June 22nd, 2023 at 5:24:39 AM permalink
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Another question about the rules.

If player has a hand such as 8-8 vs 7, can the player make the 2X raise and then split his 8-8 hand? If splitting after a big raise, does this mean that each split hand is played with the original wager plus the 2x raise amount? If you are allowed to Double after splitting, does this mean that the tripled wager can then be doubled?
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Good questions. So you can make a big bet after a split, but cannot split after a big bet. So in your scenario you would split 8's first, then make a big bet (if you hit a 2 or 3 or Ace on either or both hands).

The big bet in this game replaces the double down rule (you can still technically "double" by making a 1x big bet and choosing to hit only once). A big bet is always more advantageous than a traditional double. Part of this advantage is that when you make a big bet, is it just acts as a raise, you can still continue to hit as many times (if any) as you want.
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June 22nd, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM permalink
What's the HE of the side bet?
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June 22nd, 2023 at 7:16:28 PM permalink
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What's the HE of the side bet?
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It is highly countable, thus has a high house edge (20-25% range based on paytable) to offset, very similar to a Lucky Ladies or Kings Bounty.
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June 23rd, 2023 at 10:22:21 AM permalink
Any chance you'd be willing to provide the gameplay analysis, even if by email?
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June 23rd, 2023 at 7:26:24 PM permalink
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Any chance you'd be willing to provide the gameplay analysis, even if by email?
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Sure, here are the interesting bits, I will eventually get it uploaded on my website but for now here it is.

Big Bet Rules:
- player can make a "big bet wager" up to 2x main wager on any 2 card hand under 20 (19 or less)
- player can continue to hit after a big bet
- big bet replaces double down option
- cannot split after a big bet, but can big bet after a split
- cannot big bet A9, AA, or Blackjack (aces considered 11 so hand is considered 20 or over)

Standard Blackjack Rules:
- 6 or 8 deck shoes
- No Surrender
- Split up to 3 times (4 total hands)
- one card on split aces
- dealer hits soft 17

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June 27th, 2023 at 6:09:46 PM permalink
It's time for the next game, Lotrec 2. I must admit I walked away from the making of this video still not understanding the game very well.


Direct: https://youtu.be/g__eXl1kS8E
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June 27th, 2023 at 7:51:40 PM permalink
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It's time for the next game, Lotrec 2. I must admit I walked away from the making of this video still not understanding the game very well.


Direct: https://youtu.be/g__eXl1kS8E
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I guess I don't follow, why does the red square, blue square, or black square win but not the white square? (4 minutes 12 seconds in video...)
https://youtu.be/g__eXl1kS8E?t=252
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June 27th, 2023 at 8:30:04 PM permalink
I was not a fan of this one. I had no understanding of what was a good hand, how the probabilities work, how one can win big, etc. You deal me four custom cards with shapes from a deck ( how many cards in that deck? what is the starting composition of that deck?). Then the dealer rolls some custom dice and we compare shapes and colors. What is the payout table?

Where is the element of fun in this game? I can't recognize whether I have a good hand or a bad hand. It was so boring that I didn't finish the video.
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June 28th, 2023 at 2:59:05 PM permalink
The guy behind Lotrec had three games. I thought this one, number 2, was the worst of the three. I'll publish the other two shortly.

However, it goes to show that games that are totally outside the box never get far.
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June 30th, 2023 at 5:19:33 PM permalink
What in the world did I just watch
Why didnít the person with 2 red squares get paid 2x
Seems bad to have identical cards then? I guess youíre hoping to be dealt 6 totally different colors and shapes ??
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July 6th, 2023 at 9:44:34 AM permalink
Today's video from the 2023 Table Game Show is Pairs Up Poker.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDVfcECwJE

Comments?
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July 6th, 2023 at 11:09:02 AM permalink
This seems like a worse version of Mississippi Stud IMO. That said, Iíd totally throw a couple hundred bucks at it but I donít think Iíd play it for an extended amount of timeÖ seems very frustrating to bet on a two pair but then wind up with trips, for example.
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July 10th, 2023 at 6:28:27 PM permalink
The next video in my series on the 2023 table game show it Lotrec 1. Enjoy!


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3v0bGgWi18
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July 10th, 2023 at 6:59:17 PM permalink
This poor guy with his circles and squares again. I wish every game designer all the luck in the world. God knows they need it. I can only hope that internet casino reps attend these events because he has zero chance of Nevada casinos showing any interest at all.
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July 11th, 2023 at 3:06:21 PM permalink
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This poor guy with his circles and squares again. I wish every game designer all the luck in the world. God knows they need it. I can only hope that internet casino reps attend these events because he has zero chance of Nevada casinos showing any interest at all.
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He was such a nice guy and lots of fun to hang out with and do magic tricks for. I didn't have the heart to tell him his games, as presented, didn't have a chance. This one, Lotrec 1, I actually understood, but it took a while.

Next year, I think I'll try to personally understand each game before I do the video, so I can ask appropriate questions in the video if anything isn't clear. However, it's confusing when you see one new game after another.
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July 13th, 2023 at 2:31:35 PM permalink
Here is what will probably be the final video in this series. With a few games the microphone adapter evidently fell out of the camera so the sound quality was awful. Next year I hope to have somebody to operate the camera.

With this game the presenter was so nervous that I suggested I just explain the game myself, which he agreed to.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSoeKHpeMRU.

As always, I welcome all thoughts on the video. I thought as I was making it that buying a half-point (turning a push into a win) for 1/4 the cost of the bet might also work.
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July 13th, 2023 at 2:45:48 PM permalink
Very interesting .. so no changes to the base game? Itís just an additional option you can do? So this would have a lower house edge than normal black Jack for the well informed player? Is the idea that most people are gonna throw away money when faced with the classic 19 vs 10? Also what happens to the money you put up to buy the point? Is it like a vig that just always gets taken?
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:46:28 PM permalink
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Very interesting .. so no changes to the base game? Itís just an additional option you can do? So this would have a lower house edge than normal black Jack for the well informed player? Is the idea that most people are gonna throw away money when faced with the classic 19 vs 10? Also what happens to the money you put up to buy the point? Is it like a vig that just always gets taken?
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so no changes to the base game? Yes
Itís just an additional option you can do? Yes
So this would have a lower house edge than normal black Jack for the well informed player? Yes
Is the idea that most people are gonna throw away money when faced with the classic 19 vs 10? Yes
Also what happens to the money you put up to buy the point? Is it like a vig that just always gets taken? Yes

This actually is not a bad idea. This table at the show didn't get much attention, but I think is the kind of boring idea that would actually work. Super easy to explain and deal.

However, I think the average player would see half the price of the bet to be rather expensive. That's why I think selling a half point for 1/4 the bet amount (I reserve all rights to this idea) might improve it. Then again, my own Ties Win Blackjack game was a abject failure.
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July 14th, 2023 at 6:43:41 PM permalink
I loved the concept of this game, but the execution wasn't there. As you said 50% is too expensive to garnish excitement.
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July 17th, 2023 at 2:17:47 PM permalink
I agree. Feels like just another type of insurance to BJ. The only game here that actually get's me excited to play is Big Bet BJ. It doesn't seem as high volatility as many of the other games and has a good increasing paytable on the main bet that makes for some big fun wins without having to play a Buster Bet side bet. I'd be willing to accept that 1-2 payout for the fun of chasing a big bust payout that I tripled down on.
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