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December 17th, 2022 at 11:07:25 AM permalink
Knowing that electronic games representing table games are required to have the same odds, house edge, overall results outcomes, etc as the table game itself would have……..my question is: If after a certain time period an electronic game is not meeting those standards for some reason (variance, etc.) will the RNG self correct itself in order to get back into compliance?

The reason I ask is, I was in Vegas last week and if I couldn’t find any table blackjack games that I wanted to play or if I was unable to get on one I wanted to play, I would play the electronic blackjack game. I had mixed results winning some and losing some over my first three days, as would be expected, My last day, I played again and the results were unbelievable. Just about every time I doubled on a 10 or 11 I would get a 10 and on almost every hand the game would deal me a card that I would need to win, It was unbelievable. I’d say I won 80% of my hands. I’ve played Blackjack for years on electronic games and never had this experience.
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December 17th, 2022 at 11:59:39 AM permalink
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Knowing that electronic games representing table games are required to have the same odds, house edge, overall results outcomes, etc as the table game itself would have……..my question is: If after a certain time period an electronic game is not meeting those standards for some reason (variance, etc.) will the RNG self correct itself in order to get back into compliance?

The reason I ask is, I was in Vegas last week and if I couldn’t find any table blackjack games that I wanted to play or if I was unable to get on one I wanted to play, I would play the electronic blackjack game. I had mixed results winning some and losing some over my first three days, as would be expected, My last day, I played again and the results were unbelievable. Just about every time I doubled on a 10 or 11 I would get a 10 and on almost every hand the game would deal me a card that I would need to win, It was unbelievable. I’d say I won 80% of my hands. I’ve played Blackjack for years on electronic games and never had this experience.
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i am pretty sure those video blackjacks are using the equivalent of a CSM machine - kind of like the ones you see on table games but its a virtual deck...

personally I have found proof that they can give you better results when playing when it comes to TOURNAMENTS but i dont know if the same technique is used when it comes to every day play... but if they can do it in tournaments i dont see why they cant do it on normal machines

unless you are the creator of the game - or someone who has seen the source code of the RNG i would say that you will NEVER know for sure...

but most of the people around here will say you are just experiencing variance
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December 17th, 2022 at 12:39:07 PM permalink
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Knowing that electronic games representing table games are required to have the same odds, house edge, overall results outcomes, etc as the table game itself would have……..my question is: If after a certain time period an electronic game is not meeting those standards for some reason (variance, etc.) will the RNG self correct itself in order to get back into compliance?
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No, for one very simple reason; it would be too easy to track when a particular machine was "running cold" and "about to become hot." Besides, when it "got back into compliance," technically it would be out of compliance for the more recent time period when it was hot, and would have to turn back cold - then it has to go hot again, then cold, and so on, on a fairly regular basis.

Besides, how would a electronic keno game know what numbers to pull to increase its payout if it didn't know what numbers you selected - and I'm pretty sure that, on a class III machine, this is illegal?
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December 17th, 2022 at 4:23:35 PM permalink
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Knowing that electronic games representing table games are required to have the same odds, house edge, overall results outcomes, etc as the table game itself would have……..my question is: If after a certain time period an electronic game is not meeting those standards for some reason (variance, etc.) will the RNG self correct itself in order to get back into compliance?



No, for the same reason they will not shut down a table game even if the results seem skewed. As long as the game is being offered in a fair manner, the results are not important.

FYI, casinos are required to do audits of machines that fall outside of the parameters of a reasonable payback percentage based on the theoretical hold, I don't remember the exact requirement but it is something like 4% or 6% above or below the expected return.

Also, machines are sampled randomly every year to make sure the program chips are legal. If I remember correctly 5% or 10% of the floor needs to be sampled yearly to make sure the chips are legal, I can tell you that many casinos do not do it randomly. I am familiar with casinos that are biased to testing the easiest machines, I may have been guilty of that myself when selecting which machines to test.
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December 17th, 2022 at 4:41:42 PM permalink
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i am pretty sure those video blackjacks are using the equivalent of a CSM machine - kind of like the ones you see on table games but its a virtual deck...
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The Shufflemaster BJ games sometimes behave like a CSM -- they say they shuffle after every round. Other times the rules specifically say they shuffle 6 decks and deal out 4 decks. I confirmed this by observing the cards as they came out. There is no indication of when they shuffle up, but you can estimate the shuffle points quite accurately by looking at the card sequence. The shuffle points I observed were indeed about 208 cards apart.
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December 18th, 2022 at 6:51:04 AM permalink
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<snip>Also, machines are sampled randomly every year to make sure the program chips are legal. If I remember correctly 5% or 10% of the floor needs to be sampled yearly to make sure the chips are legal, I can tell you that many casinos do not do it randomly. I am familiar with casinos that are biased to testing the easiest machines, I may have been guilty of that myself when selecting which machines to test.
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Emphasis mine.

I was under the impression that such random testing was done by Gaming and they picked the machines.
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December 18th, 2022 at 7:17:41 AM permalink
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<snip>Also, machines are sampled randomly every year to make sure the program chips are legal. If I remember correctly 5% or 10% of the floor needs to be sampled yearly to make sure the chips are legal, I can tell you that many casinos do not do it randomly. I am familiar with casinos that are biased to testing the easiest machines, I may have been guilty of that myself when selecting which machines to test.
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Emphasis mine.

I was under the impression that such random testing was done by Gaming and they picked the machines.
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Gaming can do random spot checks at any time but the casinos are required to test a random percentage of their machines each year.
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