JackSpade
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September 26th, 2022 at 9:41:36 PM permalink
In Shackelford's video on Baccarat Scoreboards, he claims that the big eye reflects player/banker patterns that are either "predictable" or "chaotic." He uses the term "predictable" not just a couple times, but repeatedly throughout the video, to refer to outcomes that fall within previously established ranges.



I'm surprised that an expert in gambling odds would be so careless with language. Presumably, he doesn't actually believe that player/banker runs are predictable based on previous outcomes. But his use of the term "predictable" may encourage some baccarat players to believe that they should bet big when they see repetitive patterns displayed on the board.

You'd have to get a count of the particular card values that have been dealt throughout the shoe to determine whether the odds of a player or banker win has increased or decreased. Of course, casinos don't display that sort of information because it would actually be useful to gamblers.

Can any of these baccarat roads be interpreted in a way to glean any predictive value at all? Probably only insofar as an unusually large number of ties or a long period of player or banker dominance might indicate something about the expected quantity of high cards versus low cards that have been removed from the shoe.
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September 26th, 2022 at 10:24:18 PM permalink
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In Shackelford's video on Baccarat Scoreboards, he claims that the big eye reflects player/banker patterns that are either "predictable" or "chaotic." He uses the term "predictable" not just a couple times, but repeatedly throughout the video, to refer to outcomes that fall within previously established ranges.



I'm surprised that an expert in gambling odds would be so careless with language. Presumably, he doesn't actually believe that player/banker runs are predictable based on previous outcomes. But his use of the term "predictable" may encourage some baccarat players to believe that they should bet big when they see repetitive patterns displayed on the board.

You'd have to get a count of the particular card values that have been dealt throughout the shoe to determine whether the odds of a player or banker win has increased or decreased. Of course, casinos don't display that sort of information because it would actually be useful to gamblers.

Can any of these baccarat roads be interpreted in a way to glean any predictive value at all? Probably only insofar as an unusually large number of ties or a long period of player or banker dominance might indicate something about the expected quantity of high cards versus low cards that have been removed from the shoe.
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Michael Shackelford=EvenBob -the cats and candles.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 26th, 2022 at 11:34:06 PM permalink
Quote: Starting at 11:39 of the video

So what is so significant about dragon tails you might ask. I keep bringing it up. As I hope you know, baccarat is like a biased coin flip game. The odds are practically the same every single hand. It does not help looking for patterns, but baccarat players are not the type to believe me on that, and they’re a very superstitious bunch, and they love to see big long streaks of things. And I think a lot of them like to troll around the casino looking at these scoreboards hoping to find a dragon tail. And if they find a dragon tail and it’s still going, they’re probably going to throw their money on the table back betting to ride that dragon tail. I really want to emphasize it’s a waste of time, but that is just the way baccarat tends to be played.

I think this is the first analysis of a scorecard feature and sets the tone for subsequent analysis. The objective of scorecards is to reveal predictability that does not exist, so I think using “predictable” to describe the features is fine. The audience is the gambling public; this is not a doctoral thesis.
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September 26th, 2022 at 11:47:59 PM permalink
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The audience is the gambling public; this is not a doctoral thesis.
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Thank you. I'm trying to explain how the average player uses any of the boards. Of course, that information doesn't actually help.

It's like if I were explaining the cards in a tarot deck. I would get redundant to keep prefacing for every card that it's all superstition.
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September 27th, 2022 at 8:13:22 AM permalink
I know how to read all the Baccarat roads and I use them when I play. They all basically give you the same information; they just compare the most recently played hand to the results of the hands that have come before it, so you can see how the shoe is "trending." Different roads compare different previous hands. None of them are more "predictive" than any of the others. They're just something fun to look at and try to "find patterns" in what would otherwise be a fairly boring game.
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October 4th, 2022 at 9:57:31 AM permalink
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Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

The audience is the gambling public; this is not a doctoral thesis.
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Thank you. I'm trying to explain how the average player uses any of the boards. Of course, that information doesn't actually help.

It's like if I were explaining the cards in a tarot deck. I would get redundant to keep prefacing for every card that it's all superstition.
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What's the average number baccarat cards per hand for banker win, vs player win?
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