ssho88
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May 16th, 2022 at 6:51:32 PM permalink
Oasis Poker as per https://wizardofodds.com/games/oasis-poker/

1) Dealer + 7 players, perfect collusion strategy.
2) EV = + 8.98%(favour to the players)
3) Variance = 7.31
4) Switch rate = 13.81%.
5) Average bet unit per hand = 2.44.
6) Average FOLD rate(before switch) = 30.21%
7) Average FOLD rate(after switch) = 4.73%

Can anyone help verify these simulation results?
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May 17th, 2022 at 3:07:16 AM permalink
I have never seen this game for 7 box. But if we are talking about 6 box (with 1 card change), then:

Gambler EV = ~+4,9%
Change 1: ~(12%)
Fold: ~(32%)
Bet: ~(56%)
ssho88
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May 17th, 2022 at 3:36:33 AM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

I have never seen this game for 7 box. But if we are talking about 6 box (with 1 card change), then:

Gambler EV = ~+4,9%
Change 1: ~(12%)
Fold: ~(32%)
Bet: ~(56%)
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What strategy are you talking about ? 6 box perfect collusion strategy ?
Dobrij
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May 17th, 2022 at 4:25:34 AM permalink
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What strategy are you talking about ? 6 box perfect collusion strategy ?
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Yes
ssho88
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May 17th, 2022 at 4:41:08 AM permalink
Yes
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Could you please help to find out the EV for 7 box game ?
Dobrij
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May 17th, 2022 at 4:54:12 AM permalink
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Could you please help to find out the EV for 7 box game ?



To do this I need to rebuild my software, now it only works up to 6 boxes.

Where are these conditions? I think that a human not be able to gamble such a game optimally, only a computer
ssho88
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May 17th, 2022 at 6:45:32 AM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

Quote: ssho88


Could you please help to find out the EV for 7 box game ?



To do this I need to rebuild my software, now it only works up to 6 boxes.

Where are these conditions? I think that a human not be able to gamble such a game optimally, only a computer
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I will run the program for 6 box game and see what is the results.

I built this program to beat online casino games.
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May 17th, 2022 at 7:07:20 AM permalink
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I will run the program for 6 box game and see what is the results.

I built this program to beat online casino games.
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Can you send me pm a link to this casino?
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May 18th, 2022 at 4:51:52 AM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

Quote: ssho88


I will run the program for 6 box game and see what is the results.

I built this program to beat online casino games.
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Can you send me pm a link to this casino?
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My latest sim results :-

1) Dealer + 6 players, perfect collusion strategy.
2) EV = + 5.32%(favour to the players)
3) Variance = 6.91
4) Switch rate = 12.13%.
5) Average bet unit per hand = 2.40
6) Average FOLD rate(before switch) = 31.56%
7) Average FOLD rate(after switch) = 4.31%

It seems that the total FOLD rate(35.87%) is quite different from your data.
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June 9th, 2022 at 12:52:12 PM permalink
Quote: ssho88

Quote: Dobrij

Quote: ssho88


I will run the program for 6 box game and see what is the results.

I built this program to beat online casino games.
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Can you send me pm a link to this casino?
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My latest sim results :-

1) Dealer + 6 players, perfect collusion strategy.
2) EV = + 5.32%(favour to the players)
3) Variance = 6.91
4) Switch rate = 12.13%.
5) Average bet unit per hand = 2.40
6) Average FOLD rate(before switch) = 31.56%
7) Average FOLD rate(after switch) = 4.31%

It seems that the total FOLD rate(35.87%) is quite different from your data.
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I was travelling around Spain recently and quite a few casinos have this game. They call it 'Poker With Discard' but the rules are the same as Oasis. Are you able to sim the edge if 3 or 4 players have a perfect collusion strategy? I would have thought that the low (ish) starting house edge might yield a very small edge for a player with clear view of the cards of their neighbours.

Probably not a big enough edge to be worth the time, unless you are just holding onto your seat until a flashing dealer gets on shift...

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