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unJon
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:45:02 PM permalink
Mission, if the cashier at the casino cage overpaid you when cashing out chips or a TITO, would you correct it?
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Mission146
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:47:59 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Mission, if the cashier at the casino cage overpaid you when cashing out chips or a TITO, would you correct it?



Definitely.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:50:08 PM permalink
Oh, I see.

Thatís not a game though. Thatís having whatever amount in chips, so you should get that in cash.

My opinion is along the lines of, if players are expected to play perfectly to get optimal return, the dealers not playing/paying perfectly is also, ďFair game.Ē
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
Mission146
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:55:12 PM permalink
Also, Maximum Aggregate Payouts.

So, casinos will take bets that could conceivably result in a player not being paid in full according to the paytable. A player would first have to understand what the heck a MAP even is, then second, have the mental math ability to determine the most they could bet and get paid in full.

Does the casino post a sign or tell a player when the player risks not getting paid in full due to betting too much? Hell no!

Again, if the casino has every power over this transaction, then why is it for me to make sure the dealer is doing his or her job correctly?
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July 12th, 2021 at 7:16:20 PM permalink
Honesty? May well be a matter of perception. Some dealers and pit personnell view card counting almost as a criminal act. While card counters contend it is perfectly legal to use your mind and ability to compete.

I've played more single decks hands in the last decade than anyone. There are very few mishaps, short or over pays. A few "check agains" on the final tally of cards dealt. When it does happen? It usually amounts to a whups and a chuckle.

As some say, "there are others at table"? Not with me. But in a casino you never know what someone else is thinking. For one thing, there is a ton of alchohol being consumed. Maybe the guy just lost a big sports bet and is trying to make it back at the table. Um, excuse me Mr. Dealer, but you just overpaid him by $250.

Ever catch a drunk guy to break his fall only to have him take a swing at you?

The casino is not my circus and the players are not my monkees.
Mission146
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July 12th, 2021 at 7:27:51 PM permalink
Generally speaking, you usually have to check out the Carnival Games to occasionally find habitual mispays. Itís even more likely when itís a new game to the casino.
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July 12th, 2021 at 11:01:57 PM permalink
Hate to say it, but if a dealer overpays someone else or myself (or a win when it should lose), I say NOTHING and I can guarantee if the dealer attempts to underpay (or count a win as a loss for the player), I will ALWAYS say something. I suppose karma will eventually get me, but I feel, like has been mentioned, the dealer on average will make multiple mistakes an hour and generally for the house since players usually catch their own. So if they make a mistake, I dont think the cameras will catch it since they arent paying that close attention to the individual components of the game at the time. Now, on a big payout, you might as well say something since the cameras WILL review that issue.
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July 12th, 2021 at 11:46:30 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Oh, I see.

Thatís not a game though. Thatís having whatever amount in chips, so you should get that in cash.

My opinion is along the lines of, if players are expected to play perfectly to get optimal return, the dealers not playing/paying perfectly is also, ďFair game.Ē



I think the fair analogy to player mistakes costing them a bigger house edge is that dealer mistakes (accidentally missing a hand or showing the wrong card ...Etc) cost the casinos. Dealer's dealing mistakes are typically resolved to the advantage of the players, by giving them a chance to play or skip the hand.

When a hand is over though, it becomes just a matter of a financial transaction to resolve the hand. Having the dealer overpay by mistake is definitely in a different category in my mind than a player not following basic strategy.
I overall agree with the Wizard, I still will not correct overpays to other players, but will correct their underpays unless they're jerks.
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July 13th, 2021 at 4:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

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If I give the McDonald's cashier a $10 bill to pay for my meal, and she gives me back change for a $20, I will point out her mistake and give her the $10 back...
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I will attempt to correct them on the overpayment. But there have been a few times that I would eventually just let it go (see one "real life" scenario below)
Scenario: I gave $20 for a meal at a fast food restaurant, and they gave me change for a $50.
I said something like: "I am certain I gave you a $20". and they responded with something like "The machine says you gave me a $50".
Then when I was about to leave I gave them one more chance by saying something like "you will be short at the end of the day". But they stubbornly disagreed, so I gave up and eventually accepted the overpayment in change to me.

Note: This has probably happened to me 5 or 6 times in my life where they haven't accepted that they made a mistake in my favor.

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6.) Therefore, unless a casino is simultaneously the most honest AND attentive casino in the world... .
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The casino I go to is pretty attentive and honest,
Even for table minimum bets they come down and correct dealer errors and over- or under- payments every time I have been at the tables.
Also, if you don't argue with them about it, then you would usually get a "$10 drink voucher" as a table min player / "$25 player" ( and one time it was a bit more substantial, like a "$50 meal voucher").

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Lastly, I voted "I Would Tell the Dealer (My Hand Only)".

Note: If you had done this a few years ago, I probably would have voted "I Would Never Tell the Dealer".
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July 13th, 2021 at 4:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

(snip)
If I give the McDonald's cashier a $10 bill to pay for my meal, and she gives me back change for a $20, I will point out her mistake and give her the $10 back...
(snip)


I will attempt to correct them on the overpayment. But there have been a few times that I would eventually just let it go (see one "real life" scenario below)
Scenario: I gave $20 for a meal at a fast food restaurant, and they gave me change for a $50.
I said something like: "I am certain I gave you a $20". and they responded with something like "The machine says you gave me a $50".
Then when I was about to leave I gave them one more chance by saying something like "you will be short at the end of the day". But they stubbornly disagreed, so I gave up and eventually accepted the overpayment in change to me.

Note: This has probably happened to me 5 or 6 times in my life where they haven't accepted that they made a mistake in my favor.

Quote: Mission146

(snip)
6.) Therefore, unless a casino is simultaneously the most honest AND attentive casino in the world... .
(snip)


The casino I go to is pretty attentive and honest,
Even for table minimum bets they come down and correct dealing errors and over- or under- payments every time I have been at the tables.
Also, if you don't argue with them about it, then you would usually get a "$10 drink voucher" as a table min player / "$25 player" ( and one time it was a bit more substantial, like a "$50 meal voucher").

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Lastly, I voted "I Would Tell the Dealer (My Hand Only)".

Note: If you had done this a few years ago, I probably would have voted "I Would Never Tell the Dealer".

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