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February 3rd, 2021 at 5:17:44 AM permalink
I have played blackjack on one of these machines and it did not allow splitting of un-matched 10 value cards. I.e. you cannot split Queen/Jack, but you can split Jack/Jack or Ten/Ten. The casinos might be able to change this in the machine's configuration.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 5:31:09 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

I have played blackjack on one of these machines and it did not allow splitting of un-matched 10 value cards. I.e. you cannot split Queen/Jack, but you can split Jack/Jack or Ten/Ten. The casinos might be able to change this in the machine's configuration.



That is also a frequent problem with online blackjack games. I will try to return to the Suncoast today to verify this.

I assumed re-splitting is not allowed, but can you confirm or deny this?
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February 3rd, 2021 at 6:33:37 AM permalink
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Just having a quick look at this I have a feeling sometimes you wouldn't hit a 5-card 18.



Simulation results are in. Standing on a 5-card 18 lowers the house edge from 10.04% to 10.00%.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:16:11 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

I have played blackjack on one of these machines and it did not allow splitting of un-matched 10 value cards. I.e. you cannot split Queen/Jack, but you can split Jack/Jack or Ten/Ten. The casinos might be able to change this in the machine's configuration.



I can confirm that re-splitting unlike tens is NOT allowed on the Suncoast games.

Another rule I had wrong is that if the player has blackjack, he must stand. In other words, a player blackjack is a Lucky Player loss.

A new simulation will be done in about three hours under these rule changes, but it's looking like around a 16% house edge.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:54:56 PM permalink
I just updated my page to reflect the two rule changes I mentioned in the above post. New house edge is 16.71% (ouch!).

In playing it, I must say it's a fun idea that I think would work as a stand alone game if the pay table were more generous, no dealer hand at all, and players may draw to a blackjack.
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February 5th, 2021 at 5:53:44 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

That is also a frequent problem with online blackjack games. I will try to return to the Suncoast today to verify this.

I assumed re-splitting is not allowed, but can you confirm or deny this?



The one I played did not allow resplitting of any cards but that is probably configurable as it would change the RTP of the base game, and I imagine the software has a few RTP options for the casinos to choose from.

16.7%!!! LOL ouch. That is offensive. Other than maybe the Big Six wheel this has got to be the worst bet in a casino right?

Next time I see these machines in a casino I'll snap a pick of the lucky charlie paytable and see if it differs
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February 5th, 2021 at 6:12:36 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

The one I played did not allow resplitting of any cards but that is probably configurable as it would change the RTP of the base game, and I imagine the software has a few RTP options for the casinos to choose from.



That's possible. However, I think they probably allow for different pay tables only. Internet casinos are notorious for now allowing re-splitting unlike tens. I think they just don't understand proper blackjack rules. I assume the same is the case here.

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16.7%!!! LOL ouch. That is offensive. Other than maybe the Big Six wheel this has got to be the worst bet in a casino right?



Oh, there are worse bets out there. Mostly side bets. I think Lucky Ladies (stingy version), Bonus Craps, and the Fire Bet are all worse.

In fact, the Lucky 99 bet on the same machines is worse at 17.42%.

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Next time I see these machines in a casino I'll snap a pick of the lucky charlie paytable and see if it differs



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February 5th, 2021 at 11:51:12 AM permalink
Nice analysis by Wizard, Charlie and the forum. Well done!

Too bad about the large House edge and the automatic reshuffle. This could have been an interesting game.
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March 26th, 2021 at 3:24:02 AM permalink
I'm a bit late with my response here but I've looked at this game in 6 or 7 casinos now and the Lucky Charlie paytable was the same at all of them. I'll also add that Aquarius in Laughlin has these same machines with H17 6:5 Blackjack which DOESN'T earn points. Pretty weird since Edgewater next door (same owners) has 3:2 S17 on the same boxes (also no points) but Aquarius has a wide array of good VP that does earn points. ???
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March 26th, 2021 at 10:17:35 AM permalink
If re-splitting of pairs was allowed up to 4 hands, how much would the RTP change? Has anyone calculated that? I am guessing about 0.1% improvement.
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