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Wizard
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April 16th, 2020 at 8:31:59 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I would be interested to know the multiple of bets against you compared to your bet against the house needed to turn PG tiles into a 0.00% game.



Those were all good points. However, it isn't going to be practical for most people to book the action against black-chip-betting Asian players.

Also, it can never go positive. Even when banking, the EV is still -0.08%.
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April 17th, 2020 at 12:31:39 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Those were all good points. However, it isn't going to be practical for most people to book the action against black-chip-betting Asian players.

Also, it can never go positive. Even when banking, the EV is still -0.08%.



Given that the optimal strategy while banking (which no one knows) is +0.20%, and given that I set my hands way more skillfully than almost all of the players who bet against me, I'll assume I've got at least an even game while banking and at least two other people are betting against me.

One more thing I forgot to mention are dealer errors in the players' favor in both paying and adjudicating PG tiles hands, which happen more frequently (in my opinion) here than in any other game on your list.
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April 17th, 2020 at 6:50:07 AM permalink
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Given that the optimal strategy while banking (which no one knows) is +0.20%,



I think our own JB is very close. Once he bet me that he could get 100 out of 100 hands right on his demo game and he won the bet.

There are just too many conditions on tiles to get the house edge in top 13 range. You might argue nobody knows Texas Hold 'Em Bonus strategy either. At the end of the day, pai gow falls in a grey area and I have to made a judgement call. You make a very good argument, but I'm still leaving it off the list. You can see it gets an honorable mention, which I think is fair.
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April 17th, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM permalink
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I decided to keep the list together after all. That said, here is my unpublished article Top 13 Best Bets in the Casino. I consider this in the proofreading stage. That said, please have a look. I welcome all comments.



I like that you titled it “Best Bets”. That fits perfectly, and leads the reader in exactly the direction you intend.
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April 17th, 2020 at 3:57:32 PM permalink
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I like that you titled it “Best Bets”. That fits perfectly, and leads the reader in exactly the direction you intend.



Thank you!
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April 18th, 2020 at 9:38:40 AM permalink
Wiz: Thanks for the article. As the resident recreational player, this enlightened me to a few games I need to try next time. And I need to brush up on basic strategy, as I only got 8 of ten correct. I am ashamed of myself.
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April 18th, 2020 at 12:55:21 PM permalink
There's also games that I like to goof with to kill a little time despite a high EV....Caribbean Stud Poker in my case at the minimum bet. I don't play for the jackpot at $1 a hand.

I'd have put the sports book on the list...3 hours per bet vs. 60+ rolls per hour on the craps table.
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July 7th, 2020 at 12:46:26 PM permalink
Here is what I'll call version 1.0 of my video on the Ten Best Bets in the Casino. It is still in private mode, so I can fix any blatant editing errors. The raw footage is what it is. This is by far my longest video. I'm also learning new editing software.

Please keep in mind I'm not making a Ken Burns documentary here, so be gentle with your criticism.


Direct: https://youtu.be/_F8gkDxYn00
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July 7th, 2020 at 1:37:45 PM permalink
That's a great video! 2 things:
1. there's a hanging text comment at about 33:48, right after the craps section. It's about resplitting aces, so I don't think it goes there.
2. don't forget to post the links to all the WOO pages when you make the video public!
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July 7th, 2020 at 2:43:02 PM permalink
I have played a tremendous amount of UTH over the last 11 years. I have gotten 78 straight flushes over that time. This may be on the borderline but I do not think a dealer can deal this game for 8 hours without making payout errors. This makes the game odds even better. Does anyone else agree with this and does this happen in other games? I can pretty much say it does not happen in BJ but I do not know about other games.

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